Posted on 07/22/2010 9:04:57 PM PDT by Salvation
Our priest leaves out ‘men’ from creed...I wonder if he will still do that with this one.
I hope not...I still leave it in...
You know, Sakvation...I don’t think some at church know its wrong ...
The Word became the Son when He was begotten in time, not eternity.
I know I miss spelled your name...guess its early :)
It will be interested to see how the changes are received..
What "I" believe is not worth anything unless it is in agreement with what the bishop believes (and teaches).
For us some of us, maybe all, converts, the relinquishing of our autonomy in faith matters is a huge hurdle. But, it can be surmounted for the one thing needful.
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Yet it's the object, not the subjective act, of faith that makes the creeds sacred. They are sacred because Truth is sacred, not because believing is sacred. Creeds do not say merely what we believe, but what is. Creeds wake us from our dreams and prejudices into objective reality. Creeds do not confine us in little cages, as the modern world thinks; creeds free us into the outdoors, into the real world where the winds of heaven whip around our heads.
“P: “The Lord be with you.”
All: “And with your spirit.” which is a direct translation of the Latin et cum spirtu tuo.
That has become easy for me, because I am saying it now, in fact, I’ve always said it in my mind.”
Our choir leader warbles, “And ALSO with YOU!”
I love her but it just drives me nuts when she goes Broadway.
It’s going to be difficult to do the same with “And with your spirit.”
I’ll be out the rest of the day so I won’t be able to reply.
Are you saying that the second person of the Trinity only became the Son of God at his incarnation. Apart from the incarnation he was still God, but not the Son, just the second Person?
Looking forward to it, too, FRiend.
Actually, when we say the Credo at Mass, I do say “I” in all of the places that say “we”, but I say it silently so as not to distract anyone. Anyone recording me would be a little confused because I am dropping a word every now and then. :)
The union of the divine nature of the Son of God with human nature in the person of Jesus Christ. The Son of God assumed our flesh, body, and soul, and dwelled among us like one of us in order to redeem us. His divine nature was substantially united to our human nature. Formerly the Feast of the Annunciation was called the Feast of the Incarnation. In the Eastern Churches the mystery is commemorated by a special feast on December 26. (Etym. Latin incarnatio; from in-, in + caro, flesh: incarnare, to make flesh.)
**he was begotten in time**
I have been led to believe that God has no time. Man cannot understand it fully since we think in analog — one after the other second, minutes, hour, day, year, etc.
Christ was here at the beginning with God as was the Holy Spirit in the Garden of Eden.
“Let US make man in our own image.” Genesis
(You can click on the footnote connotations if you wish)
not to worry, OK?
I’ve learned that everything in the Nicene Creed was to counteract a heresy or dispute among the early Church. Does that make sense to you?
That's explicitly not what "eternally begotten" means. It is those who teach an 'eternally begotten Son' that are teaching Arianism.
So, in other words, you're asking me to believe that the council called to refute Arianism ended up endorsing it? The Arians sure didn't see it that way. Neither do any church historians that I know.
God the Son is eternally God the Son, and always has been: uncreated divinity, one in substance with the Father. God in his essence is unchangeable.
Thanks for posting. It is such a relief to see ‘credo’ translated as ‘I believe.’ It is a first person conjugation and to say ‘WE’ just drives me nuts.
hahah, I have been saying, quietly, “I believe” too. Finally we can come out.
Speaking of ‘engraved in your brain from earliest times’ — I still say, “He descended into Hell” — which must be the old version of the Apostles’ Creed? I see it once in a while like that, but have to be careful to READ the Creed so that I don’t say it ‘wrong.’
Yes! Thank you I know what the word means. This is a more traditional proper way. I thought at first new. We are going back to the right way. Thank you for post.
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