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Testimony of a Former Irish Priest
BereanBeacon.Org ^ | Richard Peter Bennett

Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

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To: Judith Anne; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

Nonsense.

Perhaps you can explain some meaningful connection?

Most RC’s hereon know that I believe that many RC’s are Christians.

Not all, of course.

Ditto for all denominations—not just the RC’s.

What failed?


881 posted on 07/20/2010 9:28:28 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: metmom

INDEED.


882 posted on 07/20/2010 9:29:18 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: metmom
Oh! that's right (slaps head) they just get an annulment. Problem solved.

That sure cuts down on Catholic divorce statistics, doesn't it.

Actually, no, it does not. Unless you can point out any secular or civil authority that recognizes annulments. Otherwise, those who get their annulments must also get a divorce in order for their remarriage to be recognized by the state.

In which case, even considering annulments, Catholics STILL have a much lower divorce rate than their non-Catholic peers, as per the two articles I posted above.

883 posted on 07/20/2010 9:30:41 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Judith Anne
Jesus never once said, 'ye have heard it said'...Jesus wasn't much on here-say or rumor...

Maybe that wasn't funny...No one laughed but me...

It is accurate to say however that Jesus didn't spend any time extolling 'oral' tradition...What I find interesting in those statements, and there are over 20, is that Jesus is speaking to people who 'have not read', but they only heard...But yet what they 'heard', had been written...

All of the times that Jesus said, It is written, or Have ye not read, or Ye have heard that it has been said, never once did Jesus refer to 'oral' tradition...Jesus directed people to the written word, whether to read it or to hear it...

884 posted on 07/20/2010 9:31:19 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Quix; Judith Anne
What failed?

Judith Anne's proudest moment. When she had to come back and correct the post #. It takes the ah-HA!! air out of her post.

885 posted on 07/20/2010 9:32:47 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Quix; Iscool

Iscool’s post 850 failed. My mistake, I said 870 instead of 864, which I have already posted but you have evidently not seen.


886 posted on 07/20/2010 9:32:52 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; daniel1212; pgkdan; OpusatFR; wmfights; Quix; caww; ...

What?!?! Now Barna IS a reputable source for material on religious issues?

Which is it? Can they be trusted or not?

Or does it depend some on how the Catholic church is portrayed?


887 posted on 07/20/2010 9:33:53 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Wow! Thats a good point. I did not think of that. I have gone to weddings in my late20’s and 30’s that were because of “conversion”.


888 posted on 07/20/2010 9:34:30 AM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: metmom
Please specifically address posts # 875 and 877. Any Catholic that gets divorced is represented in those statistics, regardless of whether they receive an annulment, a process that even our recent Popes admit has been horribly abused, BTW.
889 posted on 07/20/2010 9:34:52 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: RobbyS
Is it better to “feel” close to a woman or be with her? ;-) Why be content with the virtual when you can have the real thing?

My use of "feel" was taken directly from your post concerning Calvin. "...When he/she takes communion, he/she fells closer to Christ than at other times, including, of course, the way he communes with the Lord by reading the Bible."

As for the "Empire"; Papal Supremecy was built on the imaginative interpretation of the two words "this rock".

Your stock market sine curve analogy would show a 600 year, and continuing, decline.

890 posted on 07/20/2010 9:37:51 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: small voice in the wilderness
Judith Anne's proudest moment. When she had to come back and correct the post #. It takes the ah-HA!! air out of her post

Wrong. I have never done anything I am proud of. What does it feel like?

891 posted on 07/20/2010 9:38:17 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Iscool
John tells us that scripture (alone) was written so that we may know we have eternal life...

Are the parentheses in the original?

Obviously you don't believe those plain words of John the Apostle...

Maybe I do and maybe I don't. I'm just asking where in the Bible the words "Bible alone" appear. It's interesting that so far what I have received as a response is questions about what I believe, a statement about what I obviously do not believe, and a novel textual tradition of John which includes parentheses.

Tell me where in the Bible do the words Bible Alone appear, PLEASE?

892 posted on 07/20/2010 9:38:29 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: Quix
Sounds like you may have me confused with some rabid clique folks.

Thanks for providing an example. What you think is clever and witty is, by any comprehension of the English language, thinly veiled contempt and personal attack. It's your style and for whatever reason, you are allowed to get away with it. How "rabid clique" can be seen as other than personal attack, escapes me.

Those items are not in my quiver.

Yer killin' me here!

893 posted on 07/20/2010 9:38:48 AM PDT by don-o (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

You are missing an important item...How many annulments in the Catholic religion...Let’s add those to the divorces...


894 posted on 07/20/2010 9:39:13 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: metmom
I don't know anything about Barna one way or the other.

If you have credible statistics that challenge those posted in post # 875 and 877, please post them here.

895 posted on 07/20/2010 9:41:00 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Iscool

Why? They are only a subset of those that get divorced and remarried (with rare exceptions, such as those who go on to Holy Orders or religious life), so you cannot add them statistically.


896 posted on 07/20/2010 9:43:36 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: metmom
According to this,

"George Barna was born in Princeton, New Jersey as a Catholic, but later converted to evangelical Christianity. He holds a Bachelor’s Degree in Sociology from Boston College and 2 Master’s Degrees from Rutgers University. He has also completed a doctorate from Dallas Baptist University. The Barna Group founded by him is a market research firm."

He is obviously not carrying water for the Catholic Church. If anything, this would reinforce the validity of his statistics regarding Catholic vs non-Catholic divorce rates.

897 posted on 07/20/2010 9:46:04 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Judith Anne
"In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel." (Romans 2:16).

"Always" and "Never" are two words that should be used with extreme caution by those who believe works are part of their salvation.

898 posted on 07/20/2010 9:48:17 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: metmom
lolol. They've never made a statement that can't be rescinded, contradicted, ignored or denied.

It's how they defend the faith, dontcha know?

899 posted on 07/20/2010 9:50:27 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Good list, Brian. Catholic couples that practice NFP (Natural Family Planning), have a divorce rate of around 4%. Catholics that attend *daily* mass together (in addition to frequent Confession) have a divorce rate of around 2% (or less). Add the daily recitation of the Rosary and you can pretty much count on "til death do us part." :) The power of the Most Holy Eucharist is undeniable ... for your life, family, neighbor, and love ...
900 posted on 07/20/2010 9:52:15 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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