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To: RobbyS
Is it better to “feel” close to a woman or be with her? ;-) Why be content with the virtual when you can have the real thing?

My use of "feel" was taken directly from your post concerning Calvin. "...When he/she takes communion, he/she fells closer to Christ than at other times, including, of course, the way he communes with the Lord by reading the Bible."

As for the "Empire"; Papal Supremecy was built on the imaginative interpretation of the two words "this rock".

Your stock market sine curve analogy would show a 600 year, and continuing, decline.

890 posted on 07/20/2010 9:37:51 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Well, the "feel" I was referring to was the "feel" of said Baptist, not me.

As for the papacy, no I would say it depended more on the great prestige of the Roman Church from the beginning, because Rome was the metropolis of the Empire, and because of the presence of the tombs of Peter and Paul. Conjoined, the association of the two most prominent New Testament figures with Rome, is a firm basis for the claim of its bishop to be the vicar of Christ. As for the present standing of the papacy, think back two hundred years, or even back to 1870. By imprisoning the papacy. so to speak, Napoleon freed it of the chains that had bound it under the national monarchs. By stripping it of the last prestige as a secular prince, the Italians allowed him to exercise ecclesial authority freely. So freely, that national Church leaders often chafed under it. One object of many at Vatican II was get out from under the Curia. Theywere helped by the weakness of Pope Paul VI, a liberal pope, but even he was a disappointment. Humanae Vitae was more than just a" re fudiation" of sexual teaching that were being pushed by the "progressives" in the Church,it was a bombshell. Then along came John Paul II and now Benedict XVI. I am sure many liberals do think of the papacy asa rock--the kind that smashes their boats.

960 posted on 07/20/2010 11:10:27 AM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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