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On intemperate and indiscreet zeal. (The Primary Fault of many Religion Forum posters)
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Posted on 07/06/2010 6:54:33 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

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To: reaganaut
The owner of the restaurant I help out (cooking and bartending) at makes the BEST fry bread ever! We get people who drive almost 100 miles for ‘indian taco night’.

If you ever get to Bluff, Utah; stop in at the Twin Rocks Restuarant and get one of their burger on fry bread. Their cook does an EXCELLENT job and probably uses Blue Bird Flour as well!

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g56937-d580700-Reviews-Twin_Rocks_Cafe_and_Gift_Shop-Bluff_Utah.html

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Traditional-Navajo-Frybread

701 posted on 07/07/2010 6:53:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
 
I invide the LDS folks to look around you might be surprized
who is who in the charade...
 
 
Good suggestion!
 



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702 posted on 07/07/2010 6:55:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
What is with your ‘love fest’ with Mormons?

I don't have a 'love fest' with Mormons -- what would even make you think otherwise?

The only reason I'm talking about them at all, is because you and a few others on this thread are very insistent that I focus my attention on Mormons ... as if it's the only thing that matters.

I find it interesting, in a clinical sense, that you should be so insistent. And as I say, it seems odd to me. I think you've got a much greater personal stake in the battle than you're willing to admit. Your particular focus doesn't seem healthy to me. But it's your life, and I wish you luck with it.

What is your religion/faith/tradition?

I'm a Christian with an Anglican bent. I'm an active member of an Episcopal parish.

703 posted on 07/07/2010 6:55:48 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: reaganaut
VERY!!
704 posted on 07/07/2010 6:56:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: caww
WELL SAID, caww. WELL SAID.

AMEN

705 posted on 07/07/2010 6:56:51 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Quix
I couldn’t begin to afford implants.

I have one.

My top two incisors had worn down quite a lot over the years and I had caps put on them.

About two years later, the left one just snapped off! I wasn't chewing on anything hard at the time either.

It was either a bridge, or an implant. (or look like a Hoosier goober!)

I did NOT want to fiddle around with a bridge so I chose the implant - the cost was similar.

The grandkids were REALLY interested in the thing, but older folks seem to cringe away.

It took about a month to finally ignore the feeling it produced. Our regular teeth have a thin layer of flesh material between the root and the bone which gives slightly with pressure. (Go ahead; you CAN move your teeth a bit! ;^)

The implant is FIRMLY secured - fused - to the bone and does NOT move!

It looks just like my other tooth with the cap and works just fine.

706 posted on 07/07/2010 7:03:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Only the Church can provide the proper context. No one else can be trusted to provide the proper context or interpretation.

THAT has worked out well!

707 posted on 07/07/2010 7:04:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Logophile
 
Regarding statements of past church leaders, I would point out that Mormons might not draw the same lessons from such statements that you insist they must. Nor are they obligated to do so.
 
If you say so, but the SOMEone seems to have a DIFFERENT take on it!


 

In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)

 


 


708 posted on 07/07/2010 7:08:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
I am a bit cyincal since we have had at least 6 freepers who claimed NOT to be Mormon and it turned out that they were.

What???

MORMONs LYING???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIX_0nMlIBU

709 posted on 07/07/2010 7:12:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: caww
You overlook the fact that God uses people to oppose and confront, and yes with passion and anger.

I do? I don't think I do. I am aware of this. I also know that God uses murders and kidnappers to accomplish his Will. It is not necessarily the case that being a means by which God accomplishes his will is good for the means. It didn't work out so well for Judas. Paul in more than one place talks about how his manner of life and preaching, though they may be effective for others, may possibly lead to a bad end for him.

God Himself speaks of His anger, so to hold all Christians to just the lovey dovey approach is not wise nor is it always the way the Lord works thru people.

I am not, have not, do not, will not hold all Christians to just the lovey-dovey approach.

I am left wondering if anybody will answer the questions I asked or even read my posts before disagreeing with them and telling me what I overlook and don't know.

I think one of the reasons I am suspicious of those with a greatly above average PPM angry, abusive, confrontative posts is that many of them do not seem to be willing (or able?) to respond to the actual point made by the person to whom their words are directed.

AND there seems to be an attraction to theory over observation. That is theoretically God can save this or that person by means of a needlessly abusive interaction. However, I don't see that happening here on FR. And if someone displays a massive ignorance of what I believe and an unwillingness to understand it, I just walk away.

When the person who has done so turns and says, "Well if GOd wants him to be saved, my behavior won't make any difference," not only is that kind of thought entirely absent from Paul's writing, but it is, as I say, a license to be irresponsibly (because they outcome is God's "fault," not the abusers) "as nasty as they wanna be."

So it sure LOOKS, as I said, like the U, I, and P of tulip are used as permission to be irresponsible.

710 posted on 07/07/2010 7:12:49 AM PDT by Mad Dawg ("Be kind to everyone you meet, for every person is fighting a great battle" -- St. Ephraim)
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To: Quix
Where's the puke bucket.

GMTA

711 posted on 07/07/2010 7:13:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut; mrreaganaut
Oh, and that childhood friend who took me to church? He is is my husband of 14 years and fellow freeper.

Wow, what a great history.

AFA, street preachers, have you ever heard of Israel Houghton?

No

He is a worship leader/Christian artist. He tells a story about how, his mother when she was pregnant with him, was walking down the street, broken and abused, and heard this street preacher yelling. She stopped, talked to him and gave her life to Christ, kneeling on the sidewalk about ready to give birth.

Incredible!

It just goes to show some indiscreet zeal is not as bad as the "offended" think.

712 posted on 07/07/2010 7:13:48 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: reaganaut
I asserted the FIRST part of taht statement, but I NEVER, nor would I ever state: “NO ONE can infallibly interpret scripture.”. So you are apparently confused r9.

The confusion is yours, FRiend -- the quote in question was not directed to you.

713 posted on 07/07/2010 7:14:46 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Logophile
Let's be precise about what is meant by lying. A lie is an untruth told deliberately with the intent to deceive. It is not a mere misunderstanding or difference of opinion. The speaker must know that what he is saying is untrue or misleading; he must speak so as to deceive the listener.

Joseph Smith claimed that he learned that PRESBYTERIANism was UNTRUE.

Can you shed any light on what he 'learned'?

714 posted on 07/07/2010 7:16:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
they even call Jews ‘gentiles’. That is arrogance.

No... it's just plain STUPID!

715 posted on 07/07/2010 7:17:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Logophile
 
Linked by whom? The only ones I have known to use the phrase are enemies of the LDS church. I have never known Latter-day Saints to use it, much less recommend it.
 
Lying by OMISSION?

 
 
 
Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59            "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16            "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."    <---  and this is NOT a lie?

716 posted on 07/07/2010 7:20:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mad Dawg; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

Not sure what to add.

Certainly your take on it is quite plausible.

I think it’s far from the whole or even 100% accurate picture, however.

Some folks hereon recognize a lack of guile. Others think I’m full of it in more ways than one.

At some point, only God’s opinion matters. Actually, at every point, in most respects.


717 posted on 07/07/2010 7:20:52 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Mad Dawg

I wasn’t there.

Conceivably the Headmaster was right.

Personally, sounds like a dogpile, to me. I’d likely have intervened.


718 posted on 07/07/2010 7:22:43 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Mad Dawg

However, even if it were a dogpile, in such a context, intervention by the authority would be tricky.

. . . without making life worse for the Jewish bloke . . . How to strengthen his standing and slice to shreds any authentic mean-spirited evil . . . tricky stuff . . . even for Headmasters.

Methinks some of your rich perceptiveness is not considering all the possibilities from God’s perspective.


719 posted on 07/07/2010 7:26:00 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Colofornian; T Minus Four
If we could "CTR" we wouldn't need a Savior.

Wear your magic ring!


720 posted on 07/07/2010 7:26:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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