| This thread has been locked, it will not receive new replies. |
|
Locked on 07/13/2010 2:29:14 PM PDT by Religion Moderator, reason:
Poster’s request |
Posted on 07/06/2010 6:54:33 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
I think the answer is that you can go to a lesser heaven if you wait until death to accept the gospel, but you can’t attain godhood unless you check all the blocks here on Earth.
Me? I’m lazy. Being a god sounds like a lot of work. Being Mrs. god seems like a raw deal. Pump out spirit kids for ever and nobody is even allowed to pray to you or talk about you much. Ungrateful brats.
I’ll take the free lesser heaven for $200, Alex.
This is strange! Are you denying that you make charges against the Catholic Church -- one sentence before you make a charge against the Catholic Church?
I'm not complaining that you made charges against the Catholic Church. This is a discussion forum. The presupposes disagreements. I have no problem with the expression of disagreement.
But I DO have a problem with
(a) false statements adduced as fact;
(b) the adducers of false statements not taking responsibility for doing so; and above all
(c) people who interpret ANY disagreement with their statements as something -- anything! -- not good.
I merely observe that you made charges, and you suggest I am taking a martyr role? Are you saying you did not express any opinion that we are wrong about some things? If not, why is it wrong for me to say that you expressed opinions that we are wrong about some things, or wrong to the core, as you seem to say?
But then, what is it you think people whose opinions differ from your should do?
And especially, when you say something about us that is simply untrue, what should we do and what do you expect us to think?
And most especially, when you say something about us that is untrue and do not acknowledge the error, what in your opinion would be the correct response?
You claim to proclaim the truth. Yet what you said was false, and that doesn't seem to trouble you. Do you think this is effective evangelism or what?
Next will come their claim to have given us the Word.
(never mind the fact that the cannon was complete and spread throughout the Mediterranian 300 years before the “Catholic” church was dreamed up)
Please try and tell the truth. After all, you're Christian, correct?
What message are you bringing? So far, all I've seen are comments about other posters.
Try and pay more attention. I'm giving a hearty "amen" to the message of the pitfalls of engaging in "intemperate and indiscreet zeal" posting. And boy so those type of posters continue to reveal themselves lol.
Monday, July 12, 2010 10:05:04 AM · 2,001 of 2,024
|
Monday, July 12, 2010 10:01:23 AM · 1,998 of 2,024
|
Sunday, July 11, 2010 8:41:50 PM · 1,936 of 2,024
|
Sunday, July 11, 2010 8:41:02 PM · 1,935 of 2,024
|
Sunday, July 11, 2010 8:39:34 PM · 1,934 of 2,024
|
Sunday, July 11, 2010 1:50:06 PM · 1,903 of 2,024
|
Sunday, July 11, 2010 10:59:54 AM · 1,890 of 2,024
|
Do they EVER!!!
Anyone who tries to witness to a Mormon will soon find that the words they use do not always mean the same thing to Christians.
Below is a list of terms that are important for Christians to know when discussing the truth with Mormons.
It is important that you know what the Mormons mean by the same words used by Christians.
| ADAM | LDS - Father of physical mankind. Adam is also known as Michael the archangel, the ancient of days, (D&C 116). | Bible - the first created man by whom all of humanity descends. He was not Michael the archangel. |
| ATONEMENT
|
LDS - The sacrifice of Christ that made resurrection possible along with the possibility of our earning forgiveness of sins. | Bible - The substitutionary sacrifice of Jesus on our behalf. He died for our sins (1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 2:2). |
| AARONIC PRIESTHOOD |
LDS - A lesser priesthood in the LDS church. It is still used in LDS church practices and is held by the very young, (D&C 107:1, 6, 10). | Bible - A priesthood that is no longer necessary now that we have the full revelation of Christ. |
| BAPTISM | LDS - A necessary ordinance for salvation in the Mormon church. By it sins are washed away. | Bible - An ordinance of the Christian church that is not necessary for salvation (Rom. 5:1). |
| BIBLE | LDS - The Bible is correct only as far as it is correctly translated. It is basically trustworthy. It is the only one of the four standard works (Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price) that is not considered infallible. The KJV is the official Bible of the LDS church. | Bible - the Bible is the inspired inerrant word of God (2 Tim. 3:16). |
| BISHOP | LDS - an office in the Melchizedek Priesthood of the LDS church. D&C 20:67), | Bible - An office held by a male member of the Church. |
| CELESTIAL HEAVEN |
LDS - The highest of the three levels of heaven where faithful Mormons are exalted to Godhood. | Bible - There is no such thing as a celestial heaven. |
| CHURCH | LDS - The LDS church with its organizational structure, laws, and proper name. | Bible - The body of believers in the true and living God through Jesus. It is comprised of those who are redeemed and is not limited to an earthly structure. |
| DAMNATION | LDS - Basically, anything lesser than exaltation (becoming a God). | Bible - The state of condemnation, judged by God in eternal hell (Matt. 25:46). |
| DEVIL | LDS - See Satan. | Bible - See Satan. |
| ELOHIM | LDS - The name of God the Father. | Bible - The Hebrew word for "God." The name of God is "YHWH," which means "I AM," (Exodus 3:14). |
| ETERNAL LIFE |
LDS - Exaltation (exaltation to a Mormon means obtaining Godhood) in the Celestial Kingdom. | Bible - Forgiveness of sins and life eternal with God (John 17:3; Rom. 6:23). |
| EXALTATION | LDS - The state of becoming a god in the celestial heaven. | Bible - There is no such thing as becoming a God in the Bible. |
| FALL OF MANKIND |
LDS - A blessing (Mosiah 3: 11-16). A necessary step in the progression of humanity to the level of Godhood. | Bible - The open rebellion of Adam and Eve against God resulting in their condemnation and the fall of mankind. |
| GOD | LDS - One of countless gods in existence. An exalted man from another world who created the earth who's name is "Elohim." He became a god by following the laws and ordinances of his god on the other world. He has a body of flesh and bones. D&C 130: 22-23. | Bible - The one and only God in all the universe, (Isaiah 44:6,8). |
| GODHEAD | LDS - An office held by three separate Gods: the Father who is a god; Jesus who is a god; and the Holy Ghost who is a god. | Bible - God Himself, not an office. Three persons in one God. A Trinity: The Father; the Son; and the Holy Spirit. |
| GOSPEL | LDS - The laws and ordinances of the Mormon church. | Bible - The death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus for the forgiveness of the sins of all who would trust in Him (1 Cor. 15:1-4). |
| HEAVEN | LDS - Divided into three Kingdoms: Celestial, Terrestrial, and Telestial. The Celestial is for perfect Mormons, the Terrestrial is for moral people and lukewarm LDS, and the Telestial Kingdom is for everyone else. | Bible - The dwelling place of God (1 Kings 8:30). Christians go to heaven. |
| HELL | LDS - The temporary abode in the spirit world between death and resurrection for those awaiting telestial glory, (D&C 76: 84-85, 106). Hell will come to an end. | Bible - the eternal dwelling place of those who rejected the atoning work of Christ. |
| HOLY GHOST |
LDS - "A spirit man. He can only be at one place at one time... " (Mormon Doctrine by Bruce McConkie, p. 359.) The Holy Ghost is contrasted with the Spirit of God, which is the influence of the Godhead that fills the immensity of space which enables God to know what is going on. It is likened to electricity." D&C 130: 22-23. | Bible - Third person of the Trinity. Same as Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-4).
|
| HOLY SPIRIT |
LDS - The presence of God as distinguished from the Holy Ghost who is a god in the mormon trinity. | Bible - An equivalent term to Holy Ghost, third person in the Trinity. |
| JEHOVAH | LDS - The name of Jesus in the Old Testament. | Bible - The name of God is "YHWH," which means "I AM," (Exodus 3:14). |
| JESUS | LDS - Literal offspring of God the father. Spirit brother of Satan. A god in the Godhead. He is Jehovah of the O.T. compared to Elohim being the Father. He was the first spirit child to be born to the Father and Mother gods. Ordained as the Christ in the pre-existent Grand Council before coming to earth. | Bible - Jesus is God, second person of the Trinity (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9). |
| KINGDOM OF GOD |
LDS - Celestial heaven. The kingdom of God on earth is the LDS church. | Bible - All the believers of Christ (Matt. 13:41-43). |
| MARRIAGE | LDS - An eternal bonding of husband and wife that continues into the afterlife. These couples will continue to have children. (D&C 132:15-20). | Bible - the holy covenant between a man and a woman that is broken at death. |
| MELCHIZEDEK PRIESTHOOD |
LDS - A greater priesthood in the LDS church held by elders, (D&C 107), | Bible - A priesthood held by Jesus alone. |
| PRE-EXISTENCE | LDS - We existed in heaven with God our (literal) Father and mother before we became human. | Bible - We did not exist before we came to earth (1 Cor. 15:46). |
| SALVATION | LDS - Two fold meaning: Simple bodily resurrection of all people. Also, forgiveness of sins. | Bible - Forgiveness of sins with the result of a present new life and in the future eternal life with God (1 Cor. 15:1-4; Rom. 6:23; 10:9-10). |
| SATAN | LDS - The opposer of God, literal son of God, brother of Jesus and all people begotten in the pre-existent spirit world. | Bible - A fallen angel who rebelled against God. |
| SCRIPTURE | LDS - Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price. | Bible - Only the Bible is scripture. |
| TEMPLE | LDS - A present day temple used to practice the ordinances and ceremonies of the gospel of the LDS church on behalf of the living as well as the dead. | Bible - The Old Testament building where God dwelt, sacrifices were offered, and holy priestly rites were administered. There is no longer a need for temples. |
| TRINITY | LDS- Three gods: a god called the Father; a god called the son; a god called the Holy Ghost. | Bible - The one and only God in all existence who is comprised of three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. See Trinity. |
Go to http://scriptures.lds.org/bd/contents for a list of Mormon words and definitions produced by the LDS church.
Do I hear an echo in here? :-)
Oh nevermind just more of Elsie’s continual
cut and paste. That could fall under the
category of “indiscretion”. lol.
INDEED!
Thanx for the confession. The humility displayed is more than most around here. :-)
I’ll take the free lesser heaven for $200, Alex
____________________________________________
C’mon over to my shack for a cuppa Tea when you get settled...
:)
But, they’re use of the langauge is what keep’s it alive!!!!! Wev’e got to rember, its ever changeing.
You’re right! That’s the next thing - they were here before the Beginning - tradition tells them that.
Great comparison chart. Good work. Thanks.
Tarring and feathering him is too good for him.
It's a wonder they can ever hook women into that cult. Sharing your husband and pregnant forever. Doesn't sound much like heaven to me and there's only one other alternative.
I'll pass, too.
Oh come on now. That was said with extreme intemperance and indiscreet zeal? I'm going to have to ask you to hang around on this thread a little longer as your punishment. :-)
Stop making this about me.
I’m done w/you MD.
The Power of THE WORD has accomplished what It was sent forth for.
And then there are those who do...
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.
