Quotations from Mormon Leaders on the Christian Faith

Alpha & Omega Ministries ^ | James White

[delacoert]

We hear it over and over again. "We never put down other churches. That's not Christian." Or, a variant on this theme is, "You have strengthened my testimony, because you are persecuting the Church!" Often LDS people interpret any disagreement with their beliefs as "persecution" or "bashing," and claim that theirChurch would never do that!

Yet, in reality, disagreement and refutation is not persecution. If it is, then Paul was "persecuting" the Judaizers in Galatia when he wrote such a strong letter denouncing their beliefs (the book of Galatians). Christians are to stand for the truth, and "refute those who contradict" (Titus 1:9). In fact, it is an act of loveto speak the truth (see our on-site e-tract, Why Do You Do This?).

But there is another reason LDS people should not cry "Foul!" when encountering strong disagreement with LDS beliefs. It's a matter of simple consistency. As the following quotations show, Mormon leaders, and even Mormon scripture, denounce the Christian faith! Why is it fair for Joseph Smith to say all other churches are "corrupt," yet Christians cannot reply by saying Joseph Smith was in error?

"Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the Church of the Lamb of God and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore whoso belongeth not to the church of the lamb of God belongeth to that great church; which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth." (The Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10)

"Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." (Documentary History of the Church, Introduction, xl)

"I was answered that I must join none of them (Christian Churches), for they were all wrong...that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight" (Joseph Smith History 1:19).

"...orthodox Christian views of God are Pagan rather than Christian." (Mormon Doctrine of Deity by B.H. Roberts, p.116)

"...the God whom the 'Christians' worship is a being of their own creation..." (Apostle Charles W. Penrose, JD 23:243)

"The Christian world, so called, are heathens as to their knowledge of the salvation of God." (Brigham Young, JD 8:171)

"We may very properly say that the sectarian world do not know anything correctly, so far as pertains to salvation. Ask them where heaven is?- where they are going to when they die?-where Paradise is! -and there is not a priest in the world that can answer your questions. Ask them what kind of a being our Heavenly Father is, and they cannot tell you so much as Balaam's ass told him. They are more ignorant than children." (Brigham Young, JD 5:229).

"The Christian world, I discovered, was like the captain and crew of a vessel on the ocean without a compass, and tossed to and fro whithersoever the wind listed to blow them. When the light came to me, I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness." (Brigham Young, JD 5:73).

"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute best." (John Taylor, JD 13:225)

"What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing...Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God." (John Taylor, JI) 13:225)

"Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.177)

"I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true." (Joseph Smith, DHC 1:6)

"I spoke of the impropriety of turning away from the truth, and going after a people so destitute of righteousness as the Methodists." (Joseph Smith, DHC 2:319)

"...brother Joseph B. Nobles once told a Methodist priest, after hearing him describe his god, that the god they worshiped was the "Mormon's" Devil-a being without a body, whereas our God has a body, parts and passions." (Brigham Young, JD 5:331)

"...brother Heber C. Kimball was beset by a number of Baptist priests who had been attending a conference. He read them all down out of the New Testament....With regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world." (Brigham Young, JD 8:199).

"The Roman Catholic, Greek, and Protestant church, is the great corrupt, ecclesiastical power, represented by great Babylon...." (Orson Pratt, Orson Pratt, Writings of an Apostle,"Divine Authenticity," no.6, p.84).

"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels." (The Elders Journal, Joseph Smith Jr., editor, vol.1, no.4, p.60)

"And any person who shall be so wicked as to receive a holy ordinance of the gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent of the unholy and impious act." (Orson Pratt, OP-WA, "The Kingdom of God," no.2, p.6)

"...all other churches are entirely destitute of all authority from God; and any person who recieves baptism or the Lord's supper from their hands will highly offend God, for he looks upon them as the most corrupt people." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, pg. 255)

"...the great apostate church as the anti-christ...This great antichrist...is the church of the devil." (Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine p.40)

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the "whore of Babylon" whom the lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness." (Pratt, The Seer, p.255)

"Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth." (Brigham Young, JD 6:176)

"Evil spirits control much of the so-called religious worship in the world; for instance, the great creeds of Christendom were formulated so as to conform to their whispered promptings." (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.246)

"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christiandom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common orgin. They belong to Babylon." (George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, p.324)

Finally, note the views of Mormon Prophet Brigham Young regarding the Christian view of Jesus Christ:

"You may hear the divines of the day extol the character of the Saviour, undertake to exhibit his true character before the people, and give an account of his origin...I have frequently thought of mules, which you know are half horse and half ass, when reflecting upon the representations made by those divines. I have heard sectarian priests undertake to tell the character of the Son of God, and they make him half of one species and half of another, and I could not avoid thinking at once of the mule, which is the most hateful creature that ever was made, I believe. You will excuse me, but I have thus thought many a time" (Journal of Discourses 4:217).

[delacoert]

Victimology has become such a popular unspoken movement. It's the social art of developing notoriety, popularity and credulity by becoming one of the "great oppressed peoples". Gain sympathy, and you don't need strength of character.

[reaganaut]

Up until 1990, their temple endowments (where they learn the secret handshakes that get them into their Heaven), Protestant ministers were portrayed as ‘hirelings of Satan’.

http://www.lds-temple.org/

has the text of all the different ‘endowments’ and the changes, including the oath of vengeance against the United States for killing Smith.

[svcw]

Great source, this is a keeper.

[Colofornian]

What's more, is many Lds quotes like these are of Lds "scripture" -- and are quite specific about Christian "churches." (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith - History, for example; 1 Nephi 14:9-10 in the Book of Mormon is another example)

Whereas many opinions about the Lds church are conjecture based upon a failure to match the original; Mormons go one step further and claim their slander is rooted in their god!

[Vendome]

“...Well, looks like we are back to being whores, again...”

[SZonian]

"The Roman Catholic, Greek, and Protestant church, is the great corrupt, ecclesiastical power, represented by great Babylon...." (Orson Pratt, Orson Pratt, Writings of an Apostle,"Divine Authenticity," no.6, p.84)."

One of the more relevant "money" quotes in regards to which church(es) are the so-called "Whore of Babylon".

[SZonian]

"And any person who shall be so wicked as to receive a holy ordinance of the gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent of the unholy and impious act." (Orson Pratt, OP-WA, "The Kingdom of God," no.2, p.6)"

This one is especially relevant because of all the wailing about the "anti's" being "judgemental". I do believe that this statement plainly states that any non-mormon has been "judged" by the mormons already.

[Grunthor]

Are there even any mormons left around here to insult?

[delacoert]

Are there even any mormons left around here to insult?

Na. Nothing to worry about. They have all kinds of training for missionaries, handbooks for apologetics, and most excellent professionals at organizations like F.A.R.M.S. to equip them.

e.g.

How to Think of Quick Witted Comebacks

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  First and foremost, you need a quick mind. If you do not already have a smart mind, this guide is potentially useless. A good way to get around this problem is to amass a collection of as many good comebacks as you can find; you can usually modify them for different circumstances.
   
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  Don't listen. This really can work sometimes. For example: Person: You are such a loser! You (to your friend): Do you hear something?
   
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  Send their insult back at them. For example: Person: "You are such a loser." You: "If I'm a loser, then I'd hate to know what you are!" However, retaliating often results in an argument that nobody wins and makes you the lesser person. And it is usually what they want to happen.
   
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  Use the one line that almost never fails: "You wanna bet?" If they say yes, go up to someone and ask them if they think you are whatever the person said you are or do. For example: Person: "You are so gay!" You: "You wanna bet?" Person: "Yeah, OK!" You: (go up to someone and say): "Do you think I'm gay?" And then you can take it from there. Beware - the other person may agree and you'll end up a laughing stock.
   
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  Say,"It takes one to know one." And smile smugly.
  
   
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  Use the one line that almost never fails: "You wanna bet?" If they say yes, go up to someone and ask them if they think you are whatever the person said you are or do. For example: Person: "You are so gay!" You: "You wanna bet?" Person: "Yeah, OK!" You: (go up to someone and say): "Do you think I'm gay?" And then you can take it from there. Beware - the other person may agree and you'll end up a laughing stock.
   
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  Call names...when appropriate. Calling them ignorant or arrogant is great, so long as you don't say it in a nerdy way. Then it sounds like you're a geek who swallowed a dictionary.
   
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  If you are not very quick-witted, you might want to try practicing raising one of your eyebrows (or just an expression that clearly conveys you are not impressed). When someone insults you, just look at them, and raise an eyebrow. You can add a sarcastic 'O.K' or a 'Riiight', or you can just smirk/laugh at them, shake your head, or roll your eyes at them and walk away.
   

[Grunthor]

Yes that was a very funny post but “Are there even any mormons left around here to insult?”

[reaganaut]

More than you would think. We can ping them if you would like.

[Grunthor]

Might make for an interesting thread.

[reaganaut]

Here ya go. Elsie might have a different/larger list.

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Religion Forum Guidelines

[Elsie]

 

They have all kinds of training for missionaries...

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Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

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Timeline...    Subject...

 

0:59            "Anti-Mormons..."

1:16            "ATTACK the faith you have..."

2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."

3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

[Religion Moderator]

No one complained. I pulled your post because it was too personal to leave up.

If you cannot or will not comply with the Religion Forum guideline to discuss the issues, not make it personal, then leave the thread.

[LeGrande]

Did you read posts 8, 10 and 11?

“Are there even any mormons left around here to insult?”

And Reaganuts response, “More than you would think. We can ping them if you would like.” At which point she pinged me. This whole thread is nothing more than personal insults to Mormons, and a former Mormon, me.

Then you deleted my post which was essentially “Christianity isn’t the problem. Stupidity is, otherwise religion would’ve been banned centuries ago”

Why do you allow posts that are essentially religious bigotry to to stand and and delete posts that make fun of the religious bigots?

[Grunthor]

While informative, I do not understand how your post is an answer to my question, but thank you anyway.

[Religion Moderator]

If that were all you had to say, neither post would have been pulled.

But calling another Freeper your personal play toy is a threat to make this and other threads "about" another Freeper which is in defiance of the Religion Forum guidelines to not make things personal.

And calling another Freeper an "ignorant cretin" is both mind reading and a personal attack. And finally, calling any group of Freepers "a festering pustule on the ass of humanity" is both a personal attack and potty language.

This is the Religion Forum on Free Republic. Like liberals are trolls on Free Republic, atheists are trolls on the Religion Forum of Free Republic. Because you are an atheist, you have a very short leash on this forum.

Either comply with the Religion Forum guidelines or leave the thread.