Posted on 07/02/2010 4:43:38 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
Well known and admired 108 year old Rabbi reveals the Messiah's name!
Lots of people fail to see the truth staring them in the face;
nose to nose with it;
even in their own mirrors.
Nothing new in 2000 years about that.
Personally, I don’t consider Scripture and history mangling deceptions from hell fostering folks failing to watch, be ready, as Christ instructed . . . to be any fraction of the truth. Preterists, REPLACEMENTARIANS et al will likely have a LOT to answer for.
If I was 108 years old . . . and wished to avoid a huge amount of traumatic conflict in my closing days, I’d have been tempted.
My hunch is that The Lord told him and expected him to share it. I don’t know that The Lord insisted he do so while alive.
Doing so while alive would have been far better, imho.
INDEED.
However, the chronic rock throwing crowd have lots of fantasies . . . such as Mat 24 being fulfilled in 70 AD or therabouts. Sheesh.
This is true, unfortunately.
They have no idea what they are missing out on.
So many of them seem abjectly clueless.
Without Christ, it is impossible to understand Scripture.
When you have only human logic and reasoning to depend on, instead of the guidance of the Holy Spirit, you end up with every kind of deception and false teaching under the sun.
Scripture does not make sense to the natural man and, as God tells us, it is foolishness to him. Once a persons knows Christ as Savior, the truth of Scripture becomes obvious and also becomes precious and priceless in a person's life.
Here's an interesting article talking about partial Preterism etc. I think the STILL get it wrong. However, they do see some of the idiocies of "full preterism" and "hyper-preterism." What an irrational pile of heresies.
http://www.apocalipsis.org/preterism.htm
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Some of you will have come across the word 'preterist' either through reading or on the web, probably from the Preterist Archive. This is a short introduction to explain what it is. I have used Todd Dennis's article "An Introduction to Preterism" for some of what follows. Note: this article is no longer available, Todd has become an `overjoyed` idealist (May 2008).
R C Sproul defines preterism as:
Preterism: An eschatological viewpoint that places many or all eschatological events in the past, especially during the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. (R C Sproul, The Last Days according to Jesus, p 228)
Todd Dennis says "Preterism is from the Hebrew language's Preterit [Past Perfect] tense."
Preterism is the idea that some or all prophecy has been fulfilled in the generation alive when Jesus preached, i.e. it has been fulfilled in the past. It takes the divine inspiration of the bible seriously and literally. Some people have alleged that some of Jesus prophecies were wrong, in order to counter these arguments preterists believe that Jesus prophecies were indeed fulfilled in this (ie. His) generation, most notably by the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. Preterism takes the following key verses literally:
(Mat 10:23 NIV) When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
(Mat 16:28 NIV) I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
Mat 23:35-36 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
(Mat 24:34 NIV) I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
(Mat 26:63-64 NIV) But Jesus remained silent. The high priest said to him, "I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God." {64} "Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied. "But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."
It is very important to distinguish between partial preterism and full preterism. Partial preterism says that some prophecy was fulfilled in the generation of Jesus day, while full preterism says that all prophecy was fulfilled then. Full preterism says that the Coming (Parousia), resurrection, rapture, day of the Lord and day of judgement all occurred in AD 70. While partial preterism says that Christ came in judgement on Jerusalem in AD 70 and that it was a day of the Lord not the day of the Lord.
Full Preterists |
Partial Preterists |
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AD 70 |
At the end of history |
AD 70 |
At the end of history |
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Coming (parousia) of Christ |
Yes |
No |
Yes (judgement) |
Yes (bodily) |
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Resurrection and rapture |
Yes |
No |
No |
Yes |
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Day of the Lord |
Yes |
No |
Yes |
Yes |
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Judgement |
yes |
no |
yes |
yes |
Partial preterism has been a part of Christian belief for many years and many people from all denominations including myself hold to the view that the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70 was an important fulfilment of some prophecy. However we still believe in a future coming of Jesus Christ and resurrection from the dead. The distinction is between a coming of the Lord in judgement against Jerusalem in AD 70 and the future bodily Second Coming of our Lord at the end of history.
Todd Dennis says:
"Preterism (sometimes called "Full Preterism") is almost identical to the Reformed partial Preterist position, with only one great exception - the nature of the resurrection. Whereas the Reformed position teaches a bodily resurrection, Preterism agrees with Paul, that "it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body" (I Cor. 15:44). The spiritual nature of the general resurrection (though Preterists strongly defend Christ's bodily resurrection) is, probably, the main factor that precludes Preterism from being absorbed into any other denominational positions, unlike partial Preterism, which is conformable to nearly all. Simply put, (Full) Preterist theology is a radical departure from other contemporary positions. How many other systems teach that the Second Coming of Christ already took place, and that all prophecy has been fulfilled? None."
Again Todd Dennis says:
"The Second Coming of Christ is directly stated as occurring in the space of the men then living (Matt. 10:23; Matt. 16:27,28; Matt. 24:34), and is also often implied as being very near (James 5:8,9; 1 Pet. 4:7; I Thess 5:23, etc.). The Judgment is also declared and implied as being within a short space (Matthew 3:7; 16:27-28; 23:36-38; Acts 2:16,17,20; James 5:9; I Peter 4:5,17; Revelation 22:12), as was the Resurrection, which is nothing more than the redemption of believers from the same death passed upon then by the curse spoken in Genesis 2:17. To prove the nature of the resurrection, Paul states the following: "It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body" (I Cor. 15:44). This most significant passage is almost entirely overlooked when considering the actual substance or nature of the resurrection body!"
The crucial failure of full preterism is that it fails to understand that Christ's Second Coming will be bodily. Full preterism also fails to understand the resurrection (of believers) to be a bodily resurrection. Instead they propose a spiritual Second Coming and resurrection of the body."
Full preterism re-introduces the Hymenaeus error (see 2 Tim 2:17-18) that the resurrection has already taken place. This is being taught now in the form of full or hyper-preterism, that teaches that the Second Coming and the resurrection occurred in AD 70. The partial preterist view says that Christ came in judgement against Jerusalem in the Jewish war of AD 67-70, but he did not come bodily which is what the Second Coming is about (Acts 1:11).
2Ti 2:16-18 ESV But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness, (17) and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, (18) who have swerved from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already happened. They are upsetting the faith of some.
Acts 1:11 clearly says that when Jesus returns he will return bodily.
(Acts 1:11 NIV) "Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."
While he quotes 1 Cor 15:44 to show that after the resurrection we shall have a spiritual body. 1 Cor 15:23 says "Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him".1 Cor 15:49 says "so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven". Now when we look at the kind of resurrection body that Jesus had we find it described thus:
(Luke 24:37-43 NIV) They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. {38} He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? {39} Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have." {40} When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. {41} And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, "Do you have anything here to eat?" {42} They gave him a piece of broiled fish, {43} and he took it and ate it in their presence.
Clearly, Jesus had a physical body. Our resurrection body will like His body.
(Phil 3:21 NIV) who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
Partial preterism understands that Christ's coming in AD 70 was a coming in judgement against Jerusalem, not a bodily Second Coming. Indeed we can find in scripture several times when Jesus comes:
In John 14:16-18 Jesus speaks of his coming to the disciples as the Spirit.
(John 14:16-18 NIV) And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever-- {17} the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. {18} I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
Just splendid!
I’ve heard of it, even discussed with friends in the past, but never in depth. It would be an interesting topic to debate.
i think so, too. we’ll see if anything comes of it, hopefully soon.
The church may be Baptist, but I'm still wary of them just because of what he says in his videos. It's one thing I've learned in my years, we have to careful of "sensational new revelations." Most of the time, those revelations are repackaged myths and false doctrines from the past.
What alarmed me was when he tried to tie the last trumpet in Revelation to the Trumpet Call of God when the Rapture takes place. Those are not the same trumpets and therefore one cannot be tied to the other. That false teaching alone marks this guy as one who cannot be trusted.
Very nice article, looks like I have some reading to do this afternoon. Thanks.
What alarmed me was when he tried to tie the last trumpet in Revelation to the Trumpet Call of God when the Rapture takes place. Those are not the same trumpets and therefore one cannot be tied to the other. That false teaching alone marks this guy as one who cannot be trusted.
I absolutely agree with you and yes the two trumpets are different and if this guy is teaching that they are the same then no, he cannot be trusted. If he is getting that wrong, then he is getting a lot more wrong.
Is he the pastor of this church? Do you know what association he has with the church?
It's so sad and depressing to see deception infiltrating the church in these last days. It's so subtle- people really have to make sure they are in the Word and in prayer every day to keep from being deceived. Satan has a flavor for every palate, and it can be easy to fall prey to lies and the "doctrines of demons" we were warned would saturate the world before Christ returns if one is not vigilant about remaining close to Jesus.
1 Corinthians 13 9-13 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
I believe that when the end does come...we will all have a lot to answer for...and that would include me.
God bless
THX THX
I think it’s a gross mangling of Scripture to even say that Christ came in judgment of Jerusalem in 70AD.
There’s not a shred of Scripture to say that HE did.
God’s word from heaven would have been sufficient.
An idea in the Roman’s head while sleeping would have been sufficient.
An angel would have been sufficient.
Christ comes in dreams, visitations, visions to individuals and groups as witnessed by many Muslims who convert at great risk. Yet, those do not fulfill the prophetic mentions of His coming again either.
I was hesitant to post so much even partial Preterist hogwash but thought the contrast with the exceedingly absurd full-Preterism and hyper-Preterism was informative.
Thanks for your kind reply.
Maranatha, Jesus!!!
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INDEED AMEN!
Sure.
Should be more to follow if I ignore some other priorities.
LOL.
I don’t think anyone has it 100% figured out either.
Certainly not me.
And I’ve always asserted such is the case, hereon.
And, I think there’s earnest honest errors wherein reasonable people can differ on ambiguous Scriptures etc.
However, there’s some errors which unnecessarily lead to folks missing God . . . perhaps even missing being ready to be “CAUGHT UP” . . . whenever that is.
Some are missing out on being prepared for the looming traumas on the near horizon.
Folks who cause others to miss out on such preparations have a lot more to answer for, imho, than getting a minor point of prophecy or theology or whatever a bit askew.
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