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Ananias and Sapphira, Original Sin in the Church:-TITHING
Houston Catholic Worker, ^ | Vol. XXII, No. 7, December 2002. | by Jorge Domínguez Rojo

Posted on 06/26/2010 10:13:41 AM PDT by restornu

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To: RaceBannon

that had to be the most gobbly gooked article I read in years.
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LOL

Its in the running...


61 posted on 06/26/2010 8:29:33 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: narses
I wonder what faith tradition GeronL follows and what other acts of charity s/he helps with?

Mark 14: 6 Jesus said, "Let her alone. Why do you make trouble for her? She has done a good thing for me. 7 The poor you will always have with you, and whenever you wish you can do good to them, but you will not always have me. 8 She has done what she could. She has anticipated anointing my body for burial. 9 Amen, I say to you, wherever the gospel is proclaimed to the whole world, what she has done will be told in memory of her."

What have our noble and indignant friends done to feed the lambs and sheep of Christ?

62 posted on 06/26/2010 8:31:13 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

They opine. They have their reward, methinks.


63 posted on 06/26/2010 8:32:15 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: restornu; Elsie
How can the tragic disproportion between the offense and the sanction that hits Ananias and Sapphira be justified?

They had just been reading the story of Ananias and Sapphira in the Acts of the Apostles, in which those who did not share their goods were struck dead.


These two quotes underline the problem: the first because it shows its author shares the same attitude as Ananias and Sapphira; the second, because the author completely mischaracterizes the story.


64 posted on 06/26/2010 8:35:37 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: restornu
The LDS are not demanding nothing of the sort

Misaddress a reply? I didn't say they weren't not, never demanding nothing nor anything, never..........yet.

65 posted on 06/26/2010 8:46:45 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (We couldn't keep the commandments when there was only ONE!)
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To: Graybeard58

Sorry if you thought it was you I was replying to I was saying in general how some here feel towards the LDS I should have said all I did try to make humor

I must count for something!


66 posted on 06/26/2010 8:57:39 PM PDT by restornu
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forgot the “t”

It must count for something!


67 posted on 06/26/2010 9:01:59 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

In no way is this a tale specifically about money or about tithing - it is a tale about lying and breaking the bonds of coummunion with God, with those elected to lead and with the people. Peter does not condemn them for keeping the money, in fact he tells them that this was their money and they could have done with it what they wished. He condemns them for lying to the Holy Spirit. They tried to gain favour with those in the Church by lying to them!

Gosh some people really need to read their Bible rather than listening to some socilaist trying to seperate them from their money!

Mel


68 posted on 06/26/2010 9:18:57 PM PDT by melsec
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To: melsec

what they wished. He condemns them for lying to the Holy Spirit. They tried to gain favour with those in the Church by lying to them!

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No matter how you slice it it still was tithe money and you are right they were trying to get gain by faking it the spirit of the Lord was not in them.

Some here have limited understanding what was taking place here but these folks wanted the spoils of the Higher law with out really embracing it.

None here have learn nor know of the higher law but the level in which those living today are still living under the lesser law and are not subject to the higher law or many would have given up the ghost long ago...

...some population control that would be!


69 posted on 06/26/2010 10:03:53 PM PDT by restornu
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To: melsec
Quite so. It's not a complicated set of events nor are the lessons taught by it. The author of the article must have been paid by the word because 75% of it is a mishmash.
70 posted on 06/26/2010 10:49:51 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I believe the word is “cult”.


71 posted on 06/27/2010 12:51:21 AM PDT by fish hawk (Hussein Obama: Golf/Gulf, not very good at either.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

all I can say is BINGO. That says it all.


72 posted on 06/27/2010 12:54:08 AM PDT by fish hawk (Hussein Obama: Golf/Gulf, not very good at either.)
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To: restornu
Pleasee go preach to the free lunch revile
 
 


73 posted on 06/27/2010 4:31:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
The LDS are not demanding nothing of the sort but if one is going to give they should be honest if they have made an covenant to do so...

Are YOU keeping YOUR covenants?

Are YOU worthy to enter the Temple?

Do YOU wear your garment as COVENANTED?

74 posted on 06/27/2010 4:33:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Do you have air conditioning?

Is this some kind of goofy reference to the HEAT of HELL??

75 posted on 06/27/2010 4:35:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana; RaceBannon

Gobby gook flip flap


76 posted on 06/27/2010 4:36:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aruanan
...because the author completely mischaracterizes the story.
 
 
Surely NOT!!!


Joseph Smith taught:

"It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God...
He was once a man like us; ...
God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did"

(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46)


77 posted on 06/27/2010 4:40:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
 
Sorry if you thought it was you I was replying to I was saying in general how some here feel towards the LDS I should have said all I did try to make humor



A few years from now, reporters on the scene describe....

Hear ye! hear ye!

All those having business here will please step forward.

Your Honor,

My client claims that her name IS in the Book of Life - there must have been a scribal error for it's being overlooked and she requests the COURT to FORCE the gatekeeper to let her in, as she was a faithful - no - VERY faithful member of GOD's church; the one with His NAME on all their buildings.

Excuse me, Counselor, but our research has alREADY shown that she did NOT do the simple requirements to make it in, but instead relied on a complicated and time consuming method of religious rituals that absoLUTEly no power in them at all.

Your client is to be remanded to the outer darkness area. 

Does she have any words for the court?

You are very funny!:)


78 posted on 06/27/2010 4:42:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
 
Sorry if you thought it was you I was replying to I was saying in general how some here feel towards the LDS I should have said all I did try to make humor
 
 
Honey; you should be a CHRISTIAN and see how ALL of the MORMON Empire 'feels' about US!
 




 
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 
 
And, continuing thru the years, the high ranking leaders of that Organization have done the same!
 
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
 

 
Only just lately have the MORMONs seem to WANT be called Christians now.
 
Can't find ANYTHING in their doctrine that has changed to warrent this attitude shift; however.

79 posted on 06/27/2010 4:45:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GeronL
How about a wealthy Church that takes the gold from their poorest members mouths...

He emphasized the need to sacrifice for temple building and shared how members in Argentina found ways to donate during the construction of the São Paulo Brazil Temple. They gave the gold from their dental work to help pay for the temple. He said that he had purchased some of the gold fillings for more than the market price to share with congregations the nature of the sacrifice made by these members (Church News, 9 May 1998).

http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/portoalegre/

80 posted on 06/27/2010 4:45:48 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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