Posted on 06/13/2010 12:16:24 PM PDT by markomalley
.- Thousands of pilgrims and faithful gathered at noon Sunday in St. Peter’s Square to pray the Angelus with the Holy Father. Before the prayer, he said that the fruits of the recently ended Year for Priests could never be measured, but are already visible and will continue to be ever more so.
“The priest is a gift from the heart of Christ, a gift for the Church and for the world. From the heart of the Son of God, overflowing with love, all the goods of the Church spring forth,” proclaimed Pope Benedict XVI. “One of those goods is the vocations of those men who, conquered by the Lord Jesus, leave everything behind to dedicate themselves completely to the Christian community, following the example of the Good Shepherd.”
The Holy Father described the priest as having been formed by “the same charity of Christ, that love which compelled him to give his life for his friends and to forgive his enemies.”
“Therefore,” he continued, “priests are the primary builders of the civilization of love.”
Benedict XVI exhorted priests to always seek the intercession of St. John Marie Vianney, whose prayer, the “Act of Love,” was prayed frequently during the Year for Priests, and “continues to fuel our dialogue with God.”
The pontiff also spoke about the close of the Year for Priests, which took place this past week and culminated with the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart of Jesus. He emphasized “the unforgettable days in the presence of more than 15,000 priests from around the world.”
The feast of the Sacred Heart is traditionally a “day of priestly holiness,” but this time it was especially so, Benedict XVI remarked.
Pope Benedict concluded his comments by noting that, in contemplating history, “one observes so many pages of authentic social and spiritual renewal which have been written by the decisive contribution of Catholic priests.” These were inspired “only by their passion for the Gospel and for mankind, for his true civil and religious freedom.”
“So many initiatives that promote the entire human being have begun with the intuition of a priestly heart,” he exclaimed.
The Pope then prayed the Angelus, greeted those present in various languages, and imparted his apostolic blessing.
Septuagint was used only among hellenized Jews in dispersion. We don't even know what the original copies looked like. What we have are mostly christianized or Christian-era copies.
The Hebrew Bible doesn't use the word paradise for Garden of Eden. It uses the word gan. Now, Palestinian Jews were using either the Hebrew (Masoretic text) or the Aramaic version (Targum) of the OT.
Besides, Eze 28:13 or 36:35 do nto speak of immortality in way.
The last time I checked, Jesus was contemporaneous with the Second Temple era, and the Septuagint was was already in existence BEFORE Christ
But he was not Greek and most Jews did not use Septuagint. And neither did Galileean fisherman or Palestinian Jews in general.
What is relevant is that the word 'paradise' was already associated with the Garden of Eden and prophesies of restoration of Eden at the time Jesus was being crucified.
The Greek word padeisos was simply used in place of Hebrew gan to mean a park. Reference to Ezekiel shows that the garden was not associated with immortality.
Not in the tales. I take chances, like everyone else.
Who caused what? Cameras showed that the sun was not falling. No one caused anything. It was all in their head, mass hysteria.
Check Matthew 1:3 and Luke 3:33. Jesus' lineage is shown to be from Judah in both places. It is said that the Matthew genealogy is from Joseph - and would show legal rights and Luke is Mary's genealogy which shows genetics rights. Matthew 1:6 shows Solomon also in the lineage. In Luke, Mary's lineage went from Nathan another son of David. Either lineage clearly shows birthright to the kingship.
The other markers of the Messiah are, and will be fulfilled when Jesus returns as conquering hero. His first coming was as a suffering servant, something the Jews did not understand would be two separate events but was clearly prophesied in their prophets' writings.
Tribal lineage is through paternal seed and not through the maternal. The only thing a mother confers upon the child is Jewishness, but not tribal lineage. A child born to a non-Jewish father and a Jewish mother is Jewish by birth but not a member of any tribe.
Therefore his Marian lineage is legally and tribally irrelevant. Legala odption by Joseph owuld onyl make him the heir of property. At any rate Nathen's lineage does not lead to David's throne. Besides, I am told, only Levites can be priests, so being from the tribe of Judah would make it impossible for him to be a high priest.
I didn't make the rules. :)
But you just said:
“Messianic hope is a latter-day development in Judaism. In fact it can be traced tom a VERY late development and influence of pagan Greek thought”
Then a messianic hope ISN'T part of the post-exile Torah Judaism. and you said what YOU mean by Judaism:
“When I speak of Judaism, I speak of pre-Christian, pre-Babylonian, genuine Judaism. It seems to me that most people have no idea that Judaism evolved and is not what it used to be in beginning (i.e. the Torah Judaism). Today, Judaism is a Pharisaical branch of Judaism that evolved in the Christian world, heavily influenced by mysticism, legends, Platonism ,etc.”
So when you cite a source from About.com on Judaism, Why Can't a Jew believe in Jesus?
From Bruce James (Baruch Gershom), its from a Judaism YOU describe as follows:
“Today, Judaism is a Pharisaical branch of Judaism that evolved in the Christian world, heavily influenced by mysticism, legends, Platonism ,etc.”
The same Judaism that produced the Jewish Encyclopedia and Bruce James above.
Just makes a person long for that “Old time religion” with a golden calf, idol worship and sacrifice of children to Baal doesn't it? That pre-exile time of “Genuine Judaism”.
The Jews in Jesus’ day did not understood the O.T. and now have no understanding of what the messiah is, whether an age, a person(s), an individual hope or what have you. In short, Judaism is as fragmented as nominal Christianity.
“You just said he wasn't going to sit on the throne of David! Get your story straight. Besides, David was not his father ding...ding...ding!!!”
Nope. Here is what I said:
“Sorry. You strike out again. Jesus rejected efforts to set him up as a king. It was the resurrected Christ that was to become king, “My kingdom is no part of this world” (John 18:36) and sit on David's throne.”
And David was his father both by Mary's lineage and by Joseph's since an adopted son was considered a son for inheritance purposes. Legally he met the inheritance test and no challenged
that..
Perhaps “Judaism 101” has a clue on who the Jewish messiah is:
“It has been said that in every generation, a person is born with the potential to be the mashiach. If the time is right for the messianic age within that person's lifetime, then that person will be the mashiach. But if that person dies before he completes the mission of the mashiach, then that person is not the mashiach.” www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm
What or who do you put faith in, kosta?
“Not in the tales. I take chances, like everyone else.”
So kosta is certain of what he DOESN'T put his faith in but still the question remains, What DOES he put faith in? A cosmic “craps” game?
And lineage WAS important. “I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no [more], until he come whose right it is; and I will give it [him].” (Ez. 21:27)
Thanks for additional details.
An interesting turn that not many people are aware of is you can look at the geneology of Joseph and his lineage goes through Jechonias/Jechoniah who was king of Israel when they went into captivity to Babylon. Because Jechonias (also called Coniah) did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord (see II Kings 24:8,9) he was cursed and God declared that no descendant would sit on the throne. Mary’s lineage bypasses this curse and gives Jesus full rights to the throne of David. Just another interesting tidbit.
Post-Babylonian Judaism (late Judaism) is Judaism influenced by Zoroastrian dualism (5th century BC), and, following the Meccabeean (middle 2nd century BC) Revolt with messainism. This period also sees expansion of the scriptures, with the "prophetic" book of Daniel being the last book written.
Cristian-era Judaism is influenced by Platonism, and the resurrenctionof the dead. This period is the period of rabbinic Judaism based on the only surviving Jewish sect, the Pharisees. This period is also the period of Talmudic Judaism beginning with about 200 AD and ending about 500 AD.
So, please explain which part of this don't you understand.
And David was his father both by Mary's lineage and by Joseph's since an adopted son was considered a son for inheritance purposes. Legally he met the inheritance test and no challenged that..
Apparently you need to do some more reading on Jewish customs and laws of the first century. Inheritance had to do with worldly possessions (physical property), not tribal lineage. In the Jewish culture, adoption does not confer tribal lineage
Under normal circumstances, neither inheritance nor tribal lineage is passed through the mother. The mother only confers Jewishness to the child, regardless who or what the father is. The father confers tribal lineage and inheritance rights.
However, there is a special compensation granted to female-only surviving children to inheritance but only if the said female suvivor marries a male relative, which would have applied in Mary's case.
When it comes to Jesus, Joseph was not his natural father, so Jesus did not inherit his "seed." Joesph's lineage was cursed, so Jesus could not inherit the throne of David even if he were from Joseph's seed.
There was no tribal inheritance through female lineage, so Jesus could not inherit the throne of David through Mary's (Nathan's) line. There is no female "seed" to inherit male lineage in Jewish beliefs in 1 AD. A woman is simply a, "fertile field."
Finally, Mary being a Virgin, Jesus was not really her genetic offspring, so no matter how you look at it, he was not of the "seed of David" entitled to a throne of David, and therefore does not meet Jewish standards for a messiah.
So kosta is certain of what he DOESN'T put his faith in but still the question remains, What DOES he put faith in? A cosmic “craps” game?
Just like everyone else, including you. Except my is not as fancy and magical.
There was no tribal inheritance passed on via maternal lineage. The special inheritance dispensation granted to females-only survivors applied only to physical (property) possessions if the said female married a relative of the same tribe.
Under Jewish law, Jesus could not inherit David's thrown through Mary's lineage. The seed had to be uninterrupted and females were not the carriers of seed in Jewish culture but were only the fertile ground to receive it.
Besides, Jesus was not Mary's generic offspring. She was a surrogate mother.
Again thanks!
I quite well understand what you said so why the question?
Maybe I understand it all TOO well.
Are you appealing to the virgin birth, one of those beliefs you call a “tale”, to support your assertions about those who don't believe in it? Outstanding! Outstanding!!!
That's like an atheist appealing to Catholic beliefs to show Protestants are wrong.
Jesus was never attacked by his most vicious opponents for a lack of proper and legal genealogy, either by Jews or Gentiles. Either they gave him a tremendous pass or they understood the law and cutworms of the time better than you and knew he met the genealogical requirements.
“Apparently you need to do some more reading on Jewish customs and laws of the first century. Inheritance had to do with worldly possessions (physical property), not tribal lineage. In the Jewish culture, adoption does not confer tribal lineage”
At Wikipedia? Or maybe you have another unbiased “source”?
So kosta is certain of what he DOESN'T put his faith in but still the question remains, What DOES he put faith in? A cosmic “craps” game?
“Just like everyone else, including you. Except my is not as fancy and magical.”
Shooting “craps” by yourself really bites doesn't it?
I would say the Orthodox view would be to say "depends what's in your heart." Outward imitation of Christ can be phony, Pharisaical, hypocritical.
Almighty God knows our hearts and minds and motivations. But I agree with the Pharisaical actions of many of our opponents.
But you threw the OT into the mix several posts ago, so I was attempting to get the definitions around the OT and the NT both.
I don't recall the exact post, Mark. Obedience to God was the only requirement in both Testaments. You can't serve two masters. Only one master. And severing a master means your will is only to serve. Christ, in his humanity, was a perfect servant.
Sure. Christ the perfect servant; God the perfect master. Do you see why I don't get it? I accept it, but do not understand how the two of them, opposed in so many ways, are also perfectly aligned in the person of Jesus. I am eternally grateful to God that He did it, make no mistake.
I don’t post my ideas. I explain the teachings of the Catholic Church, the errors of Protestantism, and the relationship with the scriptures that they have. Dissipationalism, for example, has near zero relationship with the scripture, other than it is an excuse to deny it.
Is this the Gospel of the Klingon that you teach? Or the Tributary message of enduring to the end?
Be well.
And you.
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Shooting “craps” by yourself really bites doesn't it?
Not really. It's pretty crowded.
You are joking, right?
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