But you just said:
“Messianic hope is a latter-day development in Judaism. In fact it can be traced tom a VERY late development and influence of pagan Greek thought”
Then a messianic hope ISN'T part of the post-exile Torah Judaism. and you said what YOU mean by Judaism:
“When I speak of Judaism, I speak of pre-Christian, pre-Babylonian, genuine Judaism. It seems to me that most people have no idea that Judaism evolved and is not what it used to be in beginning (i.e. the Torah Judaism). Today, Judaism is a Pharisaical branch of Judaism that evolved in the Christian world, heavily influenced by mysticism, legends, Platonism ,etc.”
So when you cite a source from About.com on Judaism, Why Can't a Jew believe in Jesus?
From Bruce James (Baruch Gershom), its from a Judaism YOU describe as follows:
“Today, Judaism is a Pharisaical branch of Judaism that evolved in the Christian world, heavily influenced by mysticism, legends, Platonism ,etc.”
The same Judaism that produced the Jewish Encyclopedia and Bruce James above.
Just makes a person long for that “Old time religion” with a golden calf, idol worship and sacrifice of children to Baal doesn't it? That pre-exile time of “Genuine Judaism”.
The Jews in Jesus’ day did not understood the O.T. and now have no understanding of what the messiah is, whether an age, a person(s), an individual hope or what have you. In short, Judaism is as fragmented as nominal Christianity.
“You just said he wasn't going to sit on the throne of David! Get your story straight. Besides, David was not his father ding...ding...ding!!!”
Nope. Here is what I said:
“Sorry. You strike out again. Jesus rejected efforts to set him up as a king. It was the resurrected Christ that was to become king, “My kingdom is no part of this world” (John 18:36) and sit on David's throne.”
And David was his father both by Mary's lineage and by Joseph's since an adopted son was considered a son for inheritance purposes. Legally he met the inheritance test and no challenged
that..
Perhaps “Judaism 101” has a clue on who the Jewish messiah is:
“It has been said that in every generation, a person is born with the potential to be the mashiach. If the time is right for the messianic age within that person's lifetime, then that person will be the mashiach. But if that person dies before he completes the mission of the mashiach, then that person is not the mashiach.” www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm
What or who do you put faith in, kosta?
“Not in the tales. I take chances, like everyone else.”
So kosta is certain of what he DOESN'T put his faith in but still the question remains, What DOES he put faith in? A cosmic “craps” game?
Post-Babylonian Judaism (late Judaism) is Judaism influenced by Zoroastrian dualism (5th century BC), and, following the Meccabeean (middle 2nd century BC) Revolt with messainism. This period also sees expansion of the scriptures, with the "prophetic" book of Daniel being the last book written.
Cristian-era Judaism is influenced by Platonism, and the resurrenctionof the dead. This period is the period of rabbinic Judaism based on the only surviving Jewish sect, the Pharisees. This period is also the period of Talmudic Judaism beginning with about 200 AD and ending about 500 AD.
So, please explain which part of this don't you understand.
And David was his father both by Mary's lineage and by Joseph's since an adopted son was considered a son for inheritance purposes. Legally he met the inheritance test and no challenged that..
Apparently you need to do some more reading on Jewish customs and laws of the first century. Inheritance had to do with worldly possessions (physical property), not tribal lineage. In the Jewish culture, adoption does not confer tribal lineage
Under normal circumstances, neither inheritance nor tribal lineage is passed through the mother. The mother only confers Jewishness to the child, regardless who or what the father is. The father confers tribal lineage and inheritance rights.
However, there is a special compensation granted to female-only surviving children to inheritance but only if the said female suvivor marries a male relative, which would have applied in Mary's case.
When it comes to Jesus, Joseph was not his natural father, so Jesus did not inherit his "seed." Joesph's lineage was cursed, so Jesus could not inherit the throne of David even if he were from Joseph's seed.
There was no tribal inheritance through female lineage, so Jesus could not inherit the throne of David through Mary's (Nathan's) line. There is no female "seed" to inherit male lineage in Jewish beliefs in 1 AD. A woman is simply a, "fertile field."
Finally, Mary being a Virgin, Jesus was not really her genetic offspring, so no matter how you look at it, he was not of the "seed of David" entitled to a throne of David, and therefore does not meet Jewish standards for a messiah.
So kosta is certain of what he DOESN'T put his faith in but still the question remains, What DOES he put faith in? A cosmic “craps” game?
Just like everyone else, including you. Except my is not as fancy and magical.