More like another wart on a toad.
Posted on 06/13/2010 12:16:24 PM PDT by markomalley
.- Thousands of pilgrims and faithful gathered at noon Sunday in St. Peter’s Square to pray the Angelus with the Holy Father. Before the prayer, he said that the fruits of the recently ended Year for Priests could never be measured, but are already visible and will continue to be ever more so.
“The priest is a gift from the heart of Christ, a gift for the Church and for the world. From the heart of the Son of God, overflowing with love, all the goods of the Church spring forth,” proclaimed Pope Benedict XVI. “One of those goods is the vocations of those men who, conquered by the Lord Jesus, leave everything behind to dedicate themselves completely to the Christian community, following the example of the Good Shepherd.”
The Holy Father described the priest as having been formed by “the same charity of Christ, that love which compelled him to give his life for his friends and to forgive his enemies.”
“Therefore,” he continued, “priests are the primary builders of the civilization of love.”
Benedict XVI exhorted priests to always seek the intercession of St. John Marie Vianney, whose prayer, the “Act of Love,” was prayed frequently during the Year for Priests, and “continues to fuel our dialogue with God.”
The pontiff also spoke about the close of the Year for Priests, which took place this past week and culminated with the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart of Jesus. He emphasized “the unforgettable days in the presence of more than 15,000 priests from around the world.”
The feast of the Sacred Heart is traditionally a “day of priestly holiness,” but this time it was especially so, Benedict XVI remarked.
Pope Benedict concluded his comments by noting that, in contemplating history, “one observes so many pages of authentic social and spiritual renewal which have been written by the decisive contribution of Catholic priests.” These were inspired “only by their passion for the Gospel and for mankind, for his true civil and religious freedom.”
“So many initiatives that promote the entire human being have begun with the intuition of a priestly heart,” he exclaimed.
The Pope then prayed the Angelus, greeted those present in various languages, and imparted his apostolic blessing.
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. - John 12:49-50
In other words, you have no proofs or quotes.
You have posted no quotes that show Nicean Trinitarianism as demonstrated by Paul. None. If you have some, then please post them.
Well, certain Pentecostals are fairly alien...
Then post them. Stop the debate and stop the oblique posting. Just post Paul's definition of Nicene Trinitarianism. That's all I ask.
Acts 20: not a defense or proof of his writings.
Acts 22: a repetition of Acts 9 and not any further enlightening.
And so on. There is no proof of the Nicene formula anywhere in your quotes. Do you have any from Paul? John quoted God directly in his Revelation; why does Paul not do so in the same fashion? Why does Paul not tell us what happened in that blessed time that his Revelation was given to him?
Why? Did you just assume it?
The cast of characters on FR is vast and the belief systems of the Protestants are sometimes a little slippery to keep track of...:)
It's tomorrow already.
Tomorrow never comes...
None of your excerpts are Paul quoting God as John does in Revelation, or the Gospel writers do. Why is this?
All I started out asking for was Pauline proof of the Nicene Creed. Nobody can give it to me. Why? Then I started asking for Pauline quotes from God in the same fashion that John did in his Revelation. Nobody can give them to me. Why?
Goofy? I think that that joke will go over big next convention that the OPC has in a local phone booth - if there are any left. The Jews are God's chosen people. The Gentiles who believe are grafted in. I'm sorry if the Calvinist mind sifter has done its job a little too well.
I stick to my underastanding that “paradise” is either a hellenism inadvertently introduced by St. Luke, or an actual word Jesus used speaking in Greek because St. Dismas was Greek. It refers either way to the eternal life in the Heavenly Kingdom (the word “kingdom” IS used, mind you).
As to eyewitness, apparently St. Luke was not a witness to the Crucifixion any more than he was a witness to the Annunciation. In either case, he put to paper what he learned from others, most likely, from the Blessed Virgin who he obviously had many conversations with.
No. I can quote Isaiah myself, but that does not make my pronouncements any more true than they are unto themselves.
As I have been attempting to show, Protestants are guilty of both - or rather, a selected group of verses (which vary from person to person) from the Bible, but clinging to some rather major non Biblical beliefs, while claiming to be Sola Scriptura. Both.
That's the best you can do as a rebuttal, copying and pasting "In other words, you have no proofs" ?
Cordially,
The church church? Umm, I'm not sure what you mean here. If the OT is different or lesser than the NT, why does Reformed theology rely on the OT more than on the Gospels?
The OT is about the LAW the NT is about Grace.. so Romans teaches us the truth about our sinfulness and Gods grace. It is the doctrine of the NT church.. it is written for the church
Jesus' words not good enough?
If a man does not have the God of Paul and Peter, and john , and Jude.. he has a false god.. one that lets him be his own god..
I think that we have understanding here. I have been making that point for years.
Only to a certain extent. The Jews are God's chosen people. The Christians are adopted into that family by belief in God. We can stand back and say that God created all men, so that all men are brothers, which is really another level of brotherhood. The Beatitudes, for instance, refer to all humans as our brothers. Two different meanings, here.
More like another wart on a toad.
"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom". (Hebrews 1:8).
"But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own and after it was sold was it not in thine own power: why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lide unto men, but unto God". (Acts 5;3,4).
I wasn't attempting to prove the Nicene Trinitarian formula, I was merely refuting your false assertion Paul does not quote God except for the three introductory verses in Acts 9.
Here's another example among many of Paul quoting God:
Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness."To whom was Paul praying, and who was talking back to him?
2 Corinthians 12:8-9
No. I can quote Isaiah myself, but that does not make my pronouncements any more true than they are unto themselves.
Now, you do not have to answer my questions, but you did not answer my fill-in-the-blank question as to who is speaking in Isaiah 28:17.
Cordially,
Some would offer that it's a cult of nothing but sin and sinners, of blasphemy and pedophilia, but I probably wouldn't go that far.
I have absolutely no wish to find out about your personal life.
Actually, when you claim Obama is a "Protestant" and basically state that Protestantism is the reason he's ruining America, you paint a big red circle on yourself.
Take your best shot.
When you asserted the destruction of America at the hands of Obama was due to his (incorrectly ascribed) "Protestantism", you opened this "guilt by association" challenge for inclusion in the debate.
He claims membership in the UCC and attended a UCC church for 20 years. The UCC claims him. Do you have anything else to offer? The preceding claims were that Catholics were ruining the planet for all humankind and all Catholic countries (en masse) were offered up as evidence of corruption and ineffectual goverments simply by being Catholic. Another poster swatted that down with per capita statistics, and here we are.
Evangelicals, or what you term "Protestants" do not assert any moral, theological, or ethic superiority due to any hierarchical management structure, nor in fact to any human construct or tradition whatsoever, so attempting to decry the actual Christian church en toto by decrying two of its members has no logical basis or effect. It is basically saying "Nuh uh, you are". But, when one has come to a battle of wits unarmed, one swings whatever one has access to, I suppose.
Have a nice suppose, may it do you good. Protestantism is the breaking away from the Church of Jesus the Christ and the belief that everyone may create his own belief system and doctrines. Have at it.
Catholics invest all of their theological validity tokens in the group authority of the Romanist priesthood. That Romanist priesthood accepts and continues to embrace Pelosi, Biden, Kennedy, and a host of other reprobate communist child murder-supporting servants of Lucifer, thereby negating any validity they may have held up to that point.
Nice version of Christianity. You might want to read up on Luke 7: 36 10 11 A Pharisee invited him to dine with him, and he entered the Pharisee's house and reclined at table. 37 Now there was a sinful woman in the city who learned that he was at table in the house of the Pharisee. Bringing an alabaster flask of ointment, 38 she stood behind him at his feet weeping and began to bathe his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them, and anointed them with the ointment. 39 When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this he said to himself, "If this man were a prophet, he would know who and what sort of woman this is who is touching him, that she is a sinner."
40 Jesus said to him in reply, "Simon, I have something to say to you." "Tell me, teacher," he said. 41 "Two people were in debt to a certain creditor; one owed five hundred days' wages 12 and the other owed fifty. 42 Since they were unable to repay the debt, he forgave it for both. Which of them will love him more?" 43 Simon said in reply, "The one, I suppose, whose larger debt was forgiven." He said to him, "You have judged rightly."
44 Then he turned to the woman and said to Simon, "Do you see this woman? When I entered your house, you did not give me water for my feet, but she has bathed them with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45 You did not give me a kiss, but she has not ceased kissing my feet since the time I entered. 46 You did not anoint my head with oil, but she anointed my feet with ointment. 47 So I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven; hence, she has shown great love. 13 But the one to whom little is forgiven, loves little." 48 He said to her, "Your sins are forgiven."
49 The others at table said to themselves, "Who is this who even forgives sins?" 50 But he said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."
So what do you think on the mighty throne of your Christianity? 
How would you describe yourself?
The other is that your church doesn't teach The Gospel or you wouldn't have phrased the point you were trying to make that way.
Really? How might you have phrased it?
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