Posted on 06/13/2010 12:16:24 PM PDT by markomalley
.- Thousands of pilgrims and faithful gathered at noon Sunday in St. Peter’s Square to pray the Angelus with the Holy Father. Before the prayer, he said that the fruits of the recently ended Year for Priests could never be measured, but are already visible and will continue to be ever more so.
“The priest is a gift from the heart of Christ, a gift for the Church and for the world. From the heart of the Son of God, overflowing with love, all the goods of the Church spring forth,” proclaimed Pope Benedict XVI. “One of those goods is the vocations of those men who, conquered by the Lord Jesus, leave everything behind to dedicate themselves completely to the Christian community, following the example of the Good Shepherd.”
The Holy Father described the priest as having been formed by “the same charity of Christ, that love which compelled him to give his life for his friends and to forgive his enemies.”
“Therefore,” he continued, “priests are the primary builders of the civilization of love.”
Benedict XVI exhorted priests to always seek the intercession of St. John Marie Vianney, whose prayer, the “Act of Love,” was prayed frequently during the Year for Priests, and “continues to fuel our dialogue with God.”
The pontiff also spoke about the close of the Year for Priests, which took place this past week and culminated with the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart of Jesus. He emphasized “the unforgettable days in the presence of more than 15,000 priests from around the world.”
The feast of the Sacred Heart is traditionally a “day of priestly holiness,” but this time it was especially so, Benedict XVI remarked.
Pope Benedict concluded his comments by noting that, in contemplating history, “one observes so many pages of authentic social and spiritual renewal which have been written by the decisive contribution of Catholic priests.” These were inspired “only by their passion for the Gospel and for mankind, for his true civil and religious freedom.”
“So many initiatives that promote the entire human being have begun with the intuition of a priestly heart,” he exclaimed.
The Pope then prayed the Angelus, greeted those present in various languages, and imparted his apostolic blessing.
Unless you consider faith a work Sara did no works. It was her faith that was credited to her as righteousness. Now if your church is going to claim faith is a work, why does it insist that you do so many others?
The one I followed yesterday and the one I will follow tomorrow,
"now to Him that is of power to stablish you acording to My Gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the REVELATION of the MYSTERY WHICH WAS KEPT SECRET SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN, BUT NOW is made manifest, and BY THE SCRIPTURES of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, MADE KNOWN TO ALL NATIONS FOR THE OBEDIENCE OF FAITH";(Romans 16:25,26).
"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, HOW THAT CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES; AND THAT HE WAS BURIED, AND THAT HE ROSE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES".(1 Corinthians 15: 3,4).
The one I followed yesterday and the one I will follow tomorrow,
"now to Him that is of power to stablish you acording to My Gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the REVELATION of the MYSTERY WHICH WAS KEPT SECRET SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN, BUT NOW is made manifest, and BY THE SCRIPTURES of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, MADE KNOWN TO ALL NATIONS FOR THE OBEDIENCE OF FAITH";(Romans 16:25,26).
"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, HOW THAT CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES; AND THAT HE WAS BURIED, AND THAT HE ROSE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES".(1 Corinthians 15: 3,4).
Okay, at least you are honest in that you follow Paul, rather than Christ. I must commend you. Most of the Paulian FR contingent denies with vehemence that they are in fact Paulian. I trust that we shall have better debate in the future now that our beliefs are better articulated.
I doubt boatbums would pay much attention to what I think, Mark. :) But she is included in my response out of courtesy.
Romans 5: For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by one man's obedience many will be made righteous. One man?
Contex, just as the language, is so important in understanding the Bible, Mark. Why does Paul refer to Jesus as the first creature or creation (ktisis) in Col 1:15, or just plain "man" in Romans 5, as you point out?
Why would both, Apostles Peter (cf Acts 2:22, 3:16, 23) and Paul (cf 1 Cor 3;11, 1 Tim 2:5, etc.), refer to a risen Christ as a "man" rather than as their God? because they didn't believe he is God! God's favorite big time, sure, but not God.
Yet, Paul turns around and suggests that Christ is something other than a man (cf Gal 1:12) but not God (cf 1 Cor 11:13). Many who have studies Paul have suggested that Paul saw Christ as an intermediate between man and God, both escathologically and ontologically, akin to a a Platonic man, a kid of "super man," who is superior to ordinary men, but definitely not equal to God who to Paul is only the Father.
When both Peter and Paul were still alive, Christians were considered to be Jews religiously speaking and Judaism prohibits calling any man God, and also rejects that God is anything but an indivisible monad (i.e. not Trinitarian).
Calling Jesus a God, as John does at the end of the century when Judaism officially rejected and disowned Christianity as a Jewish sect, would have been blasphemy equal to how Christians would react to a Mormon teaching that God the Father was once a man, and has a physical body (which is what the Mormons believe)!
And speaking of context and of "Romans," Paul was really not addressing the Romans (Latins) but was addressing the Jews living there, and whatever trickling of Latins and Greeks, who for some reason found themselves in or near the synagogues where Paul taught.
[Even this is difficult to believe since Gentiles in those days Gentiles would have been thrown out of the synagogues. Most Talmud opinions agree that Torah should not be taught to the Gentiles, so it is safe to conclude that, contrary to what the NT says, Paul preached to crowds that were predominantly, if not exclusively, Jewish and calling Christ "divine" would have stirred up trouble. And Peter, an Apostle to the cirmcumcision, would have bene stoned to death for saying that Jesus was/is anything but an ordinary man.]
Besides, in the middle of the 1st century both Peter and Paul were Jews in their mindset and worship and beliefs. And as Jews, they would have expected the meshiyah (messiah) to be a mortal man, that is — not divine, but specially blessed and empowered by God, so it is safe to say that neither could believe in the Holy Trinity as proclaimed by the Ecumenical Councils, and still be Jewish even in their own eyes!
Neither would the crowds tolerate Jesus being called anything but God's favorite son, comparable to David, whom God raised from the dead, and who had no such power in him to do what only God could do.
Imagine the reaction in a church on hearing a Mormon describe Jesus as the blood-sibling of Satan, the Father as an incarnate God, and the Trinity being "one in purpose" but otherwise three separated "gods!" Even the poorly cathecized Catholics would surely protest.
The same would have happened to Peter and Paul and all others who would proclaim Jesus a God. But once free from the restraints of Judaism, and in need to establish its own divine authority, the author of John's Gospel undertakes to Hellenize (or better yet Platonize) Jesus and make him equal to God.
“I will agree with the early Church and disagree with anyone who considers the words generated by a man to be equal or superior to any words generated by God. I think that Jesus’ quotes are superior to any words generated by any man.”
Paul's writings, his words were generated by God just as much as David's or Isaiah or Luke's. Paul taught what Christ had shown him so to put “.... any words generated by any man.”, (I'll assume you mean Paul and if not you'll correct me) and the recorded quotes of Jesus in opposition or difference is a error and contrary to Jesus’ words.
You read but I'm not sure you comprehend.
Exactly. The Councils are believed inspired and as such on the par with the scriptures, keeping in mind that the Gospels take precedence.
The ones who believe in the coequal and coeternal Triune God are really not Bible believers at all, since there is no Scriptural proof of that belief
Right again. And neither is there for the called "sola scirptura."
Negative. Luke reports quotes from God. Does Paul?
Paul taught what Christ had shown him so to put “.... any words generated by any man.”, (I'll assume you mean Paul and if not you'll correct me) and the recorded quotes of Jesus in opposition or difference is a error and contrary to Jesus’ words.
Paul wrote to his flock with the understanding that he had of what Jesus revealed to him. Luke (and the other Gospel writers) wrote quotes
from Jesus. We Catholics differentiate the Word of God (Jesus) from the words of men. I do not say that Paul errs, but that his words are incomplete (ie the Nicene formula) and take a secondary role to those attributed directly to Jesus.
You read but I'm not sure you comprehend.
I'll bet. What makes you think that the frail human vessel of Paul was able to write better and more relevant verse than the words that came out of the mouth of Our Lord?
Speaking of addressing the actual substance, “work ethic” did not come up in any of the posts I made or that were directed to me.
The Catholic Church did not *evangelized* impoverished countries.
I didn’t say impoverished. I said "the least of these".
You can excuse and rationalize all you want, but your argument has no merit because all the countries started on pretty much the same level and where they ended up is directly tied to which branch of Christianity was dominant.
South America was on the same level of development as Spain or France? And as far as being tied to "which branch of Christianity" is dominant, here are some interesting statistics for you:
Summary of GDP per Capita of Top 30 Countries:
| Predominant Religion | Country Count | % of Total |
|---|---|---|
| Catholic | 13 | 43% |
| Protestant | 7 | 23% |
| Muslim | 5 | 17% |
| Anglican | 3 | 10% |
| Buddhist | 1 | 3% |
| Undetermined | 1 | 3% |
Details:
| Rank | Country | GDP per Capita | Predominant Religion |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Liechtenstein | $122,100 | Catholic |
| 2 | Qatar | $121,700 | Muslim |
| 3 | Luxembourg | $78,000 | Catholic |
| 4 | Bermuda | $69,900 | Anglican |
| 5 | Norway | $58,600 | Protestant |
| 6 | Jersey | $57,000 | Anglican |
| 7 | Kuwait | $54,100 | Muslim |
| 8 | Singapore | $50,300 | Buddhist |
| 9 | Brunei | $50,100 | Muslim |
| 10 | Faroe Islands | $48,200 | Protestant |
| 11 | United States | $46,400 | Protestant |
| 12 | Andorra | $44,900 | Catholic |
| 13 | Guernsey | $44,600 | Anglican |
| 14 | Cayman Islands | $43,800 | Protestant |
| 15 | Hong Kong | $42,700 | Undetermined |
| 16 | Ireland | $42,200 | Catholic |
| 17 | United Arab Emirates | $42,000 | Muslim |
| 18 | San Marino | $41,900 | Catholic |
| 19 | Switzerland | $41,700 | Catholic |
| 20 | Iceland | $39,600 | Protestant |
| 21 | Austria | $39,400 | Catholic |
| 22 | Netherlands | $39,200 | Catholic |
| 23 | Australia | $38,800 | Catholic |
| 24 | Gibraltar | $38,500 | Catholic |
| 25 | British Virgin Islands | $38,500 | Protestant |
| 26 | Bahrain | $38,400 | Muslim |
| 27 | Canada | $38,400 | Catholic |
| 28 | Sweden | $36,800 | Protestant |
| 29 | Belgium | $36,600 | Catholic |
| 30 | Equatorial Guinea | $36,600 | Catholic |
Why don't the Protestants do something about teaching the poor Protestants to help themselves, especially in the Southern US?
Actually it wasn't Rome, it was a Calvinist on this thread. Read back through the posts.
imho,
20-40% of RC threads are titled in a way that could easily be construed as
BRAZEN BAITING a fierce Proddy response.
Some folks seem to smugly luxuriate in fostering fierce responses from Proddys with such threads. And then to wail, whine, point fingers, haughtily denounce etc. such responses. REAL IMPRESSIVE, that.
As I think I noted in another post . . . the 33% of the first 3 pages of threads in the REL FORUM were by RC’s and demonstrated that the RC’S CERTAINLY have their fair share of air time and harranguing one and all hereon with their heresies, blasphemies and idolatries. Any of them assuming that Proddys ought to just therefore roll over and play dead . . . are being plain silly.
Predominant Religion Country Count % of Total
Catholic 13 43%
Protestant 7 23%
I trust that you are not making this up through the fictional sources that some of our friends would attempt to have us believe...
Rank Country GDP per Capita Predominant Religion
1 Liechtenstein $122,100 Catholic
2 Qatar $121,700 Muslim
3 Luxembourg $78,000 Catholic
Ping Rnmomof7 she's the one that disagreed with me about the needy being bretheren.
Mark, I did not mean that in a rude way. Truly. I don’t think you comprehend what Paul’s calling was. We’ve gone through this before. And after that. You do not seem interested in studying the revelations that were given him directly from Jesus Christ. You don’t seem interested in the “mystery” he was speaking of. It doesn’t seem of particular importance to you. That is your choice. I respect your decisions, I don’t agree with them, but I do respect them. Believe it or not, I do not want an argument. You take a stand. I take a stand. That’s the freedom we both enjoy. Maranatha!
Must be only an iPhone AP.
If they install it on FR, please let me know.
Sounds like that reading comprehension problem on the circuit, again.
Or did the rabid cliques get in a dozen new shipping containers full of nastiness pills indead of the shipload of clues Proddys ordered for them?
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