Posted on 06/02/2010 1:47:13 PM PDT by reaganaut
Jesus of Nazareth, also known as Jesus Christ, or simply Jesus, is the central figure of Christianity. The life and sermons of Jesus form the basis of the Christian faith. Jesus Christ is recognized by believing Christians as God incarnate, the Son of God who was raised from the deadthe Redeemer of mankindthe most important figure in history.
According to Mormon doctrine, Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world. However, it seems that even the perceived Savior of the world is not exempt from LDS temple rituals. Proxy rites for Jesus Christ were performed in the Salt Lake (LDS) Temple in Utah, in April 2010. The Salt Lake Temple, located on Temple Square in the heart of Mormon-dominated Salt Lake City, was dedicated on April 6, 1893three years before Utah became a state in 1896and is one of the oldest of the 132 currently operating temples that are owned and maintained by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS.)
New FamilySearch is the online genealogy database of the LDS Church that contains updated details of LDS temple ordinances that have been done for dead people. There are multiple listings for Jesus Christ in New FamilySearchunder different versions of his identitywhich have been submitted by individual Mormons. It is not known how many times Jesus has been subjected to LDS rites because all New FamilySearch records for himincluding combined recordsshow LDS ordinance details as Not Available.
On May 27, 2010, there were two similar records for Jesus in New FamilySearch which had been submitted by the same person. One listing was titled Jesus Christian, and showed Jesus Christian was born before 1500 Bethlehem, Israel, and died before 1550 Jerusalem, Israel. LDS ordinances were tagged as Not available on this record. The other entry was for Jesus Cristian, who was born before 1502 Bethlehem, Israel, and died before 1539 Jerusalem, Israel. The entry for Jesus Cristian gave a description of LDS ordinances, along with the name of a spouseMaria Magdelena.
Jesus Cristian was baptized and confirmed a member of the LDS Church by proxy on April 8, 2010 in the Salt Lake City Utah Temple. Jesus Cristian was also subjected to initiatory temple ordinances on April 8, 2010; an endowment ceremony on April 9, 2010; and a marriage sealing to spouse Maria Magdelena on April 9, 2010all rites occurred in the Salt Lake City Utah Temple.
It appears the submissions for Jesus Christian, and Jesus Cristian were attempts to manipulate the identity of Jesus Christ through the LDS temple system. The misspelled Cristian, instead of Christian, could have been a typo, or a deliberate error. It may have been intentionally entered as Cristian to get around a computer program that automatically blocks submissions that contain the names Jesus Christ. That would explain why the entry for Jesus Christian shows LDS ordinances as Not available.
While both New FamilySearch records in question lack complete birth and death data, and give imprecise before years of these eventsthe first name Jesus combined with the surnames Christian and Cristian (both spins on the name of Christ) are signs that Jesus Christian and Jesus Cristian are pseudonyms for Jesus Christ.
Other indicators on the New FamilySearch records that point to Jesus Christ are the birth place, Bethlehem, and the death location, Jerusalem. (Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem and died outside the walls of old Jerusalem.) Another clue to the identity of Jesus Cristian is the name of his spouseMaria Magdelena, a misspelled variant of Mary Magdalene. Maria Magdelena is not listed on the Jesus Christian record.
Because Jesus Christian and Jesus Cristian have similar names and identical birth and death locationsBethlehem and Jerusalem, they are probably the same person. Their birth and death years are similar, but not the same. The estimated dates listed for these events look like they have been fabricated. According to their New FamilySearch records, Jesus Christian and Jesus Cristian were born and died in the 16th century. Jesus Christian lived roughly 50 years, while Jesus Cristian died in his thirties.
On May 27, 2010, Maria Magdelena was listed in New FamilySearch with her birth date as 1504 Israel, and death date as before 1540 Israel. Both years are likely inventions. Along with spouse Jesus Cristian, Maria Magdelena was baptized and confirmed a member of the LDS Church by proxy on April 8, 2010 in the Salt Lake City Utah Temple. She was subjected to initiatory temple ordinances on April 8, 2010; an endowment ceremony on April 9, 2010; and the marriage sealing to Jesus Cristian on April 9, 2010all rites were done in the Salt Lake City Utah Temple.
Mary Magdalene is described in the New Testament as a faithful follower of Jesus. Because the concept of marriage is strongly emphasized in LDS teachings, the notion that a spousal relationship existed between Jesus and Mary Magdalene is common among Mormonsalthough that belief is not formal LDS doctrine. There is no reliable historical evidence to indicate that Jesus was marriedto Mary Magdalene, or anyone else.
LDS Church officials have publicly stated that the New FamilySearch program is a technological deterrent to improper submissions. Yetunder their very noseson Temple Square in Salt Lake City, Jesus Christunder a false nametwo millennia after his birth, was offered Mormon salvation and an erroneous eternal marriage sealing.
Sometime late in the day on May 27, 2010, the individual entries for Jesus Cristian and Maria Magdelena were scrubbed from New FamilySearchconcealing the evidence that LDS rites had recently been performed for these two names in the Salt Lake Temple. The sudden disappearance of these records is a strong indication that Jesus Cristian and Maria Magdelena represent Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene.
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I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the otherThis is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, Never mind, all is wellI am well enough off. I then said to my mother,
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
Leapin’ Lizards and Glorioskey!
Putting everything else aside, would you explain one conservative idea or policy Romney has.
YOU accuse people (unnamed, of course) of lies and deception in these threads all the time; but you have NEVER, afaik, shown one bit of EVIDENCE to them.
YOU holler about truth, yet are unable to show falsehood.
You accusing again?
Show the lies; the twistings, the misrepresentation - otherwise you are a vapid little twit.
I was baptized and confirmed in the Anglican Communion. I don’t say “Episcopal” because our diocese (thankfully) separated from the Episcopal Church of the United States due to some serious disagreements over doctrine. Essentially, I am Catholic without the “Roman” part.
I’m not saying it’s not evil, and I certainly won’t dispute your reasons for believing it is. I just don’t have the kind of experience you do to make such a decision. I do not support its doctrine, but acknowledge that it is at least -possible- that it’s a case of people getting something very wrong, and then deciding to spread to the ends of the earth to drag other people into the mess.
As for my beliefs, the “easy” answer is to say that I believe in the most basic principles of Christianity, being that Christ is Lord and Savior, and that our Salvation is a gift and dependent upon Grace. I have more in depth belief than that, but everything stems from that cornerstone. I’ll FReepmail you when I get back home and open dialogue with you, as I don’t want to hijack this thread to discuss my own personal beliefs. It’s not that I believe anything crazy or radical, it’s just that this thread is about the LDS and the database, NOT about me.
Silly ex-PRESBYTERIAN!
YOU do not know what JS supposedly learned was UNTRUE about PRESBYTERIANism, and you accuse OTHERS of being SLOTHFUL?
HYPOCRACY; meet thyself!
I've posted more MORMON 'scripture' on these threads than MORMONs have!
(Try a different tack - no one is picking up on it.)
Strike two...
I'll bet she can't give the PRESBYTERIAN answer, either!!
LOL. I posted before I saw your post.
I’ve been HOSED!
could it be...Mormonism?
Great minds...
Thank you for clarifying. I look forward to your freepmail.
nah, just baptized.
I don’t see anything wrong with withdrawing financial contributions due to a serious disagreement with activity. I don’t agree with the Mormon doctrine, and don’t support efforts to convert people to Mormonism- especially on this site- but I won’t call for you to be silenced. On the same token, I won’t call for her to be silenced if she does speak against you.
Free speech is a funny thing. You have the right to say anything, but that freedom comes with consequences. Sometimes those consequences are for people to say you’re wrong and work to prove their claim. It isn’t always a pretty thing.
All cults have off-the-wall, un-Biblical tenets. That’s why they call them “cults”. Gonna be rough come Judgment Day.
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