Posted on 05/30/2010 4:51:26 PM PDT by Colofornian
A lot of men have been called to be LDS apostles since Joseph Smith’s time. Today, an announcement of a new apostle is big news. In the early days of the LDS Church, many apostles became apostates. Some died, some were dropped over doctrinal disputes. An interesting footnote is the case of Lyman Royal Sherman, who lived and died without ever realizing that he had been called to be an apostle.
It’s open for debate as to whether Sherman should be considered an apostle. A traditionalist would say no, since he was only called and never ordained. However it’s clear that this faithful member of Smith’s church was intended to be an apostle had he lived.
BYU researcher Lyndon W. Cook, in a sketch of Sherman’s life, published in the fall 1978 Brigham Young University Studies, writes that Sherman was born May 22, 1804 in Vermont. He and his wife, Delcena, were baptized in Pomfret, N.Y., in January 1832. Sherman and his family lived in Kirtland, Ohio, until 1838.
According to Cook, Sherman was a close friend of Joseph Smith. He served as a president in the first Quorum of the Seventies from 1835 to 1837. Sherman also remained a very faithful member of the LDS Church. Just before Christmas 1835, Sherman approached Smith and said that he felt he was in need of a revelation. Smith obliged almost immediately, telling Sherman via the revelation that “your sins are forgiven” and “let your soul be at rest concerning your spiritual standing.”
Sherman also participated in secret anointings and ceremonies in the Kirtland Temple and according to reports, spoke in tongues. As the saints were being forced from Kirtland, opposition leaders sought to use a printing office to manufacture anti-LDS tracts. That printing office was destroyed by fire to prevent that, and historians believe it was the ever-faithful Sherman who set the blaze to thwart Smith’s enemies. Sherman then moved to Missouri and was on the Far West stake high council.
Here’s where it gets interesting. While in Liberty Jail in January 1839, Smith, Sidney Rigdon and Hyrum Smith wrote to Brigham Young and Heber C. Kimball that Sherman should be made an apostle. However, unknown to Smith, Sherman’s health was ruined after the Kirtland strife and he was dying. Kimball and Young, for reasons still unclear, chose not to tell Sherman of his call to the apostleship. Perhaps Sherman was in a coma? In any event, this early church leader died in February 1839, in Far West, never knowing about his call.
Google Lyman Sherman and there are several accounts of his life that are interesting to read. In any event, his family remained active in the church. His wife, Delcena, crossed the plains to the Salt Lake Valley and died in 1854 in Salt Lake City.
("Unknown to Smith"...so the Mormon god "calls" Sherman through Lds leaders, but they don't have a "clue" that Sherman is dying? I thought the way the Mormons interpret Amos 3:7 would "kick in," that the Mormon god doesn't do anything without cluing in his "prophet"?)
This sounds a lot like the D&C passage where Smith says David W. Patten would go serve as a missionary. But then Patten dies in Missouri Oct., 1838. Without serving as a missionary, and letting this D&C passage serve as yet another Smith false prophesy.
From the column: As the saints were being forced from Kirtland, opposition leaders sought to use a printing office to manufacture anti-LDS tracts. That printing office was destroyed by fire to prevent that, and historians believe it was the ever-faithful Sherman who set the blaze to thwart Smith’s enemies.
Wow! (We don't seem to hear these details from the Mormon historians and others who tend to describe 1838 Mormon history details in a very lopsided fashion...like this article that appeared in the Deseret News based upon a Mormon History Association conference going on this weekend...Setting the record straight on the 'Hawn's' Mill Massacre [See posts #1 & #23]
And what was it with that portion of Mormon history that whenever anybody wanted to tell the truth about Mormonism, the knee jerk reaction was for Mormons to destroy printing presses? (Missouri, 1838; Nauvoo, IL, 1844 -- sanctioned from the highest hierarchical levels within Mormonism?)
Three years ago this very day, the Flying Inmans were so "dubbed" on a FReeper thread!
As the saints were being forced from Kirtland, opposition leaders sought to use a printing office to manufacture anti-LDS tracts. That printing office was destroyed by fire to prevent that, and historians believe it was the ever-faithful Sherman who set the blaze to thwart Smith’s enemies.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
No dissent, no freedom of the press, no 1st Amendment rights allowed ???
So much for the mormons being the ‘saviors” of the Constituition...
It appears they were more like saboteours of the Constitution...
As the saints were being forced from Kirtland,
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By their mormon god...
the mormon god drove the mormons out of OH MO because of their sins
D&C 98:18-19: “Behold...am not well pleased with many who are in the church at Kirtland; For they do not forsake their sins, and their wicked ways, the pride of their hearts, and their covetousness, and all their detestable things...”
D&C 50:4 — what Smith told the LDS church at Kirtland in May, 1831: “Behold...have looked upon you, and have seen abominations in the church that profess my name...”
“...the inhabitants of Zion are terrible...” (D&C 45:70)
Also, Smith said that the affliction, persecution and being cast out of the land of inheritance (D&C 101:1)
was because God “suffered the affliction to come upon them, wherewith they have been afflicted, in consequence of their transgressions...” (D&C 101:2)
This sounds a lot like the D&C passage where Smith says David W. Patten would go serve as a missionary. But then Patten dies in Missouri Oct., 1838. Without serving as a missionary, and letting this D&C passage serve as yet another Smith false prophesy.
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Didnt Joey Smith once “prophecy” to someone they would go on a mission to the moon ???
Mormonism for another....
and few people know that the Oneida Silversmiths actually started out as a quasi religion that practiced wink/wink multiple bedding partners....and Oneida/Sherrill NY is not that far from Palmyra as the crow flies....
I read somewhere that Joey smith copied them in some of his ideas about “plural marriage”...
His whole family were ex-communicated from the Presbyterian Church in Palmyra, NY on March 29, 1830...
Two weeks later Joey started his own religion...
the Smiths had been spreading Joey Smith’s religious ideas...they may have included his Oneidan like activities...
The earliest record of Joey’s extramarital affairs was the very next year, 1831, with Fanny Alger, but he may have started earlier than that...he wasnt exactly the boy next door..
Immorality and espounding a belief in “multiple bed partners” for “exaltation” and “godhood” and entrance into an afterlife, as Joey Smith preached, would have been ample to be asked to leave a Christian Church...
Especially since that was going on near Palmyra with other groups...
The Presbyterian minister had a duty to ptotect the flock...
You mentioned the Shakers...
one of the early mormons, Martin Harris had been religion shopping before he came to mormonism...
He joined aboput 3 religions including the Campbellites before he helped Joey Smith write his book of mormon ...
and about 8 later, the Shakers included...
Yes. (It wasn't called the "burned-over district" for nothin')
Gorgeous room!
Proud to be a charter member!
Ignorance is as ignorance does
You don’t really grasp the Lord s way and you love measure ith the world yardstick
I have no trouble understanding one called for a mission and continue on in the other realm.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Oh the irony...
Do you have the Flying Inman list?
Our beloved brother and felloe Freeper, 2ndDivisionvet has passed away and I would like to alert them and ask they alert their lists
Let me see if I can track it down
Freepmailed you. Sorry to hear the news. Prayers up for fam & friends.
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