Posted on 05/25/2010 10:19:08 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman
CRI Statement
A leading East Coast New Age magazine, New Frontier, recently ran a “dirt for sale” advertisement in its November issue. But this one had a twist — the dirt had allegedly been supercharged by extraterrestrials (ETs). It stated: UFO LANDING site radiates cosmic energy alters psychic awareness. Soil samples $5 + p&h.
Not surprisingly, the Boulder, Colorado firm that ran the ad did not respond to a letter asking for proof that there was something unusual about the dirt.
While it is not immediately known how many people actually sent in their $5, the appearance of such an ad is not unusual. Alongside all the ads bought by New Agers — peddling crystals, “power within” seminars, and channeling sessions — are news bits about recent UFO landings, announcements of upcoming UFO conferences, and advertisements from some of the nation’s leading names in the field of UFOs and the New Age. Some of the ads are placed by alleged “walk-ins,” people who claim that ETs have literally invaded their bodies and can be summoned up (sometimes for a fee) to share wisdom and Ann Landers type advice.
In short, more and more people today are saying UFOs have landed. And while proof that they have seems consistently elusive, it is clear that the phenomenon of UFOlogy — a fascination with UFOs and alleged space creatures — has landed squarely in the middle of the New Age movement.
What is behind the recent resurgence of interest in UFOs, particularly in New Age circles?
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No, I am applying that term to those who apply ship loads of Scripture to things that really aren't in Scripture. The Bible doesn't have any reference to the ET/UFO topic. The zealots assume they MUST apply Scripture to everything, and the demon interpretation is an easy pick from their tool box.
I tend to take a wider view of Creation in that I have no reason, Biblical or otherwise, to assume that only the Earth was populated with intelligence. It seems natural to me that ETs would exist. It also seems natural to me to suspect that ETs can be every bit as nasty as Earth people. After all, we haven't become any nicer as our technology improved. Advanced technology merely provides more efficient ways to lie, cheat, steal, and kill in large numbers.
The zealots are sure that ill-behaved ETs just have to be demons. I'd say that humans would also have to be demons under that measure.
You have a problem on your hands. I disagree with those who think this can be solved through a faith-based approach. Christian religious beliefs are faith based, same as the UFO based cults. The UFO faith can be shaken by the application of scientific fact; however, true religious faiths are impervious to science. Science, after all, is merely the determination of the secular/physical details of Creation.
Somehow you need to convince your family member to test the basic scientific knowledge of his leadership. They will fail the test.
By the way, if you think UFOs and ETs don't exist, go check out the documents on abovetopsecret.com. There is physical evidence of their presence, and the government knows this all too well. It is hidden from the public partly because many religious people come unglued at those prospects.
Special note to these:
unusual avoidance of difficult people, situations, memories — frequently resorting to meditation or sleep to deal with them
derivative narcissism
delusional thinking
auditory and visual hallucinations
divorce, frequently multiple (frequently attributed to rapid spiritual growth and “outgrowing” one’s partner)
Possible Cognitive Side-Effects:
significant difficulty with memory and/or concentration
incessant jumping from one thought or action to another, constant activity without accomplishing a goal, distractibility
Possible Social Side-Effects:
significantly decreased job or educational performance
difficulty obtaining or maintaining a job, jumping from job to job
relocating frequently, to the detriment of the individual
Possible Spiritual Side-Effects:
conflict with birth religion (Judaism/Christianity/Islam: puja, use of graven images, mantras are names of Hindu gods, yagyas to Hindu deities; Buddhism: conflict with tenets such as anatta or no-self)
spiritual confusion
replacing birth religion with TM/Hinduism or other spiritual practices
Special note to these:
unusual avoidance of difficult people, situations, memories — frequently resorting to meditation or sleep to deal with them
derivative narcissism
delusional thinking
auditory and visual hallucinations
divorce, frequently multiple (frequently attributed to rapid spiritual growth and “outgrowing” one’s partner)
Possible Cognitive Side-Effects:
significant difficulty with memory and/or concentration
incessant jumping from one thought or action to another, constant activity without accomplishing a goal, distractibility
Possible Social Side-Effects:
significantly decreased job or educational performance
difficulty obtaining or maintaining a job, jumping from job to job
relocating frequently, to the detriment of the individual
Possible Spiritual Side-Effects:
conflict with birth religion (Judaism/Christianity/Islam: puja, use of graven images, mantras are names of Hindu gods, yagyas to Hindu deities; Buddhism: conflict with tenets such as anatta or no-self)
spiritual confusion
replacing birth religion with TM/Hinduism or other spiritual practices
We’re never past learning a little more PC in the right areas Quix...or with the right people we do care about.
However the thread has certainly moved into other venues as well and equally as important.....all are learning I think.
The facts and reality are no one has presented an alien for public view and research....none. Saying that there is a government conspiracy to cover it up is like all other conspiracies...until it is revealed and the evidence shown, not that there is a cover up but find and expose that very evidence that aliens are here...then every thing is purely speculation not facts...no matter which side of the issue one is on.
Everyone has their own experiences in life...separately and as a whole. Just because one experiences something does not mean it is real or true....as mentioned before ‘John Nash” had no doubt what he saw was real. His book is telling. But it was not real at all. We cannot dismiss the ability of the mind to manufacture what it perceives as real from actual reality....especially when one wants it to be real.
Their are some who could indeed put science up against the Bible and prove it in error..and have done so...example is if you note God never attempts to prove that He is in the scripture....it is assumed one believes that He is....the closest he does come is with Job when He points to creation.....and even in that it is written we know the world was created by him THRU FAITH.....science has studied creation and come away many times amazed at the order, the dimensions, the detail....and many see a designer as the only option....others do not.
I think there is room for both science and religion and they can be quite complimentary at times and surely does challenge one. Both give a broad view so people can come to their own conclusions of a matter.
The facts and reality are no one has presented an alien for public view and research....none. Saying that there is a government conspiracy to cover it up is like all other conspiracies...until it is revealed and the evidence shown, not that there is a cover up but find and expose that very evidence that aliens are here...then every thing is purely speculation not facts...no matter which side of the issue one is on.
Everyone has their own experiences in life...separately and as a whole. Just because one experiences something does not mean it is real or true....as mentioned before ‘John Nash” had no doubt what he saw was real. His book is telling. But it was not real at all. We cannot dismiss the ability of the mind to manufacture what it perceives as real from actual reality....especially when one wants it to be real.
Their are some who could indeed put science up against the Bible and prove it in error..and have done so...example is if you note God never attempts to prove that He is in the scripture....it is assumed one believes that He is....the closest he does come is with Job when He points to creation.....and even in that it is written we know the world was created by him THRU FAITH.....science has studied creation and come away many times amazed at the order, the dimensions, the detail....and many see a designer as the only option....others do not.
I think there is room for both science and religion and they can be quite complimentary at times and surely does challenge one. Both give a broad view so people can come to their own conclusions of a matter.
I have a theory that Satan is using this UFO, alien abduction, e.t., stuff to set in place a “logical” explanation for the rapture. FWIW...
#147 was very reasonanble and very thoughtfully expressed. It is sort of what I’ve been trying to say. I’m a bit of a recluse, and I don’t communicate as nicely and evenly as you. Good job.
How do you “know” this....where is the evidence other than UFO Zealots countless number of reported sightings and documents that consistantly are debunked as frauds.
They are as guilty as “Bible Thumpers” who throw scripture at science findings etc. Both sides play that game....but the evidence still remains a huge not there...because aliens are not here.
Who is going to really believe a gov. cover-up over religious sensitivity....come on....that just is not an issue....they can remove God from so many historical places etc. without flinching an eye and the outcry is often huge. So Gov. conspiracy hardly explains this...especially when so many people world wide believe there is gov. conspiracy to hide this.....you would think then they wouldn't be reporting this to the gov. if the believers really wanted the news to get out to the public. It would make sense UFO watcher's would have formed a group to rush to the scene of a UFO gather the evidence and just flood the internet with proof....gather some scientists in some secluded area and then reveal those findings....the gov. can be bypassed in UFO sightings so the conspiracy issue hardly holds water.
Besides I am certain a whole lot of scientist would love the opportunity to investigate a real alien arrival without the gov. included...wouldn't take much to have them on call for a sighting either.
I presume you know of the disclosure project. Those witnesses are every bit as credible than those who supposedly wrote and passed the Bible down through the ages. Those who spoke in disclosure are still alive. There are other credible witnesses to UFO/ET events that have spoken out separately from the disclosure project. That has been going on for years. Something like ten US astronauts have spoken in the affirmative of the UFO/ET presence. The list goes on and on...
I trust that such a large body of witnesses produces a credible body of evidence.
An axiom from the intelligence community: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
I have as much faith in the ET presence as I do for the God presence and for an afterlife. I am dead-dog sure of all three.
I am speaking not of those who simply look to see what a UFO is when something crosses the sky, because it is interesting, as well as when they do discover what it is. Rather I am speaking of those who believe the aliens are here in one form or another...which they of course are not.
Additionally God did say He would send a delusion as the day approaches so might just explain....also when you factor in people world wide having “entity” meet and greet stories...which I lean to think they are either manufactured in their minds or demonic encounters...then that also falls into your theory.
Trouble is that theory puts those of the Christian faith in a dilemma...because it means they have fallen for the deception. Hard on the ego I would imagine.
I might add that likely like my brother you can explain with scientific lingo very well, but you science minded people do have difficulty expressing things of science in a general vocabulary sort of way for us less minded individuals...my brother often gives an example which hugely expands to my understanding what he addresses in his science language.
So keep posting just the same...most people enjoy your posts and the dialogue you share.
This post brings to my mind what Paul said....(not quoted)....that he only wanted to know Christ and Christ crucfied. Simple gospel and that’s it. God sent His son for us, To save us from ourselves and what is to come..
And if you boil down Christ’s teachings to love God with all your heart and soul....well that will then lead to most doing likewise with their fellow man.
You said....”Lets fact it: If we knew how to interpret Scripture there wouldn’t be so many denominations.”...
Better said might be how or if we apply scripture we do know....somebody is wrong?
I tend to agree with that analysis MM. This thread has provided even more interesting material from FReepers than I imagined it would and I’m interested, not to prove or disprove the existence, but rather, how better to understand the mindset of the fringe ‘cults’ that exist because that is the true danger. And it isn’t just UFO’s/Aliens. I don’t profess to be an expert by any stretch but I have read ‘some’ on cults (basic cults) and the people (victims) become so dedicated, so rabid in their beliefs that they are willing to also give ‘everything’ (material or worse yet..their lives) to the group...it’s this thinking I’m trying to understand. This particular cult regarding UFO’s is new to me (other than the Heaven’s gate’ a few years back). I had no idea there were many people involved.
(sorry for the length of response)
I understand what you are saying Star.....and but should not be excluded from the equation either....but considered and looked at carefully. You cannot simply dismiss science because it does not play into ones “belief system”.
Oh...., well, please don't misunderstand me ... :-). I actually love science. I think it's great and wonderful for what it's meant for. It has given us a lot of very useful things in our society and world, and it does a marvelous job for the area that it is intended.
I mean, I think our tall buildings are wonderful, the bridges work well, our airplanes actually fly, we went to the moon, we have a space station orbiting the earth, we're able to cure a lot of diseases we have, we can assist our bodies in being healthy and fixing things that do happen to go wrong with them. I like driving in the car that I have, which science made possible. The list can almost be endless, if we were to list all the accomplishments of science.
For all those things in which we can use science as a good and useful and viable tool, I think it's absolutely wonderful.
The problem we find that we run into -- is that science has worked so well in the areas it was meant for -- that many people have extended "science" into areas of knowledge where it has no ability to discern anything at all. That's their mistake in understanding what science is and is not. And thus, many people, today, have made "science" their "new god" of this age. In that manner, science (for those kinds of people) is another of a long list of false gods that we have in this culture and society.
Science can only develop for mankind a "subset of knowledge" -- of which it is only a very, very tiny and miniscule part of the knowledge of God, Himself. And then, furthermore, science has a total inability (by the nature of "what it is" to penetrate (or understand, comprehend or talk about) some of the "revealed knowledge" contained in the Word of God.
In other words, the Word of God, does "extend the very tiny subset of knowledge" from the realm of true science. The Word of God adds knowledge -- to science -- for which science can never address, never discover, never measure, never comprehend and never say anything about -- because of the very nature of what science is, itself. The Word of God contains knowledge that extends "far beyond science" and science has no ability to comprehend it. Only by the "revealed knowledge" of the written Word of God, are we able to even be aware of it.
So..., science is the ever-so limited, "little cousin" to the full and more expansive Word of God, you see.
Thus, I never dismiss what science "is" -- but I totally and thoroughly dismiss what science "is not" -- and cannot do. People should not make the mistake of taking science past its so-limited abilities -- in relation to who God is and what He has revealed.
And I'll also say that one will never find true science having any contradication with the Word of God, ever. If you find where anyone has shown "science" to be in contradiction of the Bible, when you examine it, you will usually find that they are no longer talking about "science" and instead, they have elevated something that they have referred to as "science" -- into a "false god" and taken it into areas where it has nothing to say. They have concocted things which they "call science" but have actually, instead, done no more than "suppress the truth of God" as is known by all, and set up their own "false gods".
The facts and reality are no one has presented an alien for public view and research....none.
This is also the reason that those engaged in the practice of "false science" have used -- as a "convincing explanation" [to many] that the Bible is wrong -- because "no one has presented an angel for public view and research....none." :-)
Their are some who could indeed put science up against the Bible and prove it in error..and have done so...
They actually haven't done so, because those things in the Bible, in which some use science to prove "it is wrong" -- have actually used science in an area where it has no ability to address anything.
For instance, "science" has no ability to address the creation event (as revealed to us in Genesis) -- as the very laws of physics did not even exist prior to that event. And so God obviously put the entirety of creation into place, by His creative actions using the power that He has, without using any of the laws of physics, because He brought everything into place prior to the laws of physics existing.
And it's even questionable as to when our present laws of physics went "into play". We can see that God put some physical laws in place at the time of the Garden of Eden which are no longer operational. Those laws of physics were changed as a result of the judgment of God at the fall of mankind.
Then it's also questionable as to whether the present laws of physics were "in place" at the time of the judgment of God and the world-wide Flood. It appears to be a completely different environment and situation before the Flood, compared to after. There is a rainbow which is mentioned as being there after the flood, which with our present law of physics, results from the refraction of light through water droplets. Either that wasn't in play then, or else, there wasn't rain droplets before the worldwide flood. Whichever the case, things were dramatically different in the "before and after" picture.
Science can't speak to many of those things, because they are completely outside the framework of science, and it has no ability to speak to any of that.
And, in addition, see that science keeps "shifting" its "understanding" of things with certain things that it can address, because it seems to always "get it wrong", or it's still trying to "get it right" ... :-)
For instance, for a long time, we were told that the speed of light was a constant. But, now..., there are indications that the speed of light may have been declining over the centuries and over a few millennia, and it was much faster in the past. This would dramatically alter some of the "timelines" that so-called "science" gives to the age of various things. This is getting into an area of "quasi-science" and not true science and is thus on the borderline of science and not science.
We have an eye-witness account of these historical events (like the creation event, in which God is the eye-witness account), and science itself cannot address these historical events that happen once. You don't have "creation events" in which God brings into existence, the very laws of physics, which never existed before and have probably been altered from then, to now. There's no way science can say a single thing about that. It's out of its realm.
I think there is room for both science and religion and they can be quite complimentary at times and surely does challenge one. Both give a broad view so people can come to their own conclusions of a matter.
I would never say that there is no room for science and God -- since God is the one who created the very laws of physics and the very nature and fabric of the universe. As long as one realizes that science is a subset of the knowledge of God, then people will have the proper understanding of science.
And, it's obvious that God has altered the laws of physics, and He is going to do it again, several more times in the future. God will alter things, once again, in the Millennium, during the reign of the Messiah of Israel. And then, God will alter the laws of physics, once again, at the Great White Throne Judgement. And then, God will alter the laws of physics, once again, at the time of the new heavens and the new earth, when all things are restored... once again.
So, we're going to see the continued altering of the laws of physcis, by God, as He is continually active in this creation of His.
What I see here, in this particular post, is something that appears to be a comment from another source. I'm not sure about that, and this could very well be your own writing. If it is, then that's fine. But, if it's from another source, people usually like to evaluate the source material in general and see where they're "coming from" when looking at a quote.
I usually include the source material, or a link, and/or a reference to a paper, or a book or an author or a name or teacher that it came from.
If it's simply your own work, then it's good to know that, too... in that this is what you've come up with, in this list of items. That way people can know that you, caww, have listed these out from your own experience and/or some studies that you've done and this is not from another source. And there's nothing wrong with that either -- just so people know that this is your list of items and not someone else's.
Heck! I say a lot of stuff that's just from me and no one else. And people can see it's my own material. But, I quote a lot, too, and then I give the links and/or names or whatever (like that) for it.
I would just like know which it is, that you're listing here.
And.., having said that, I'll be back on this post, with some comments specifically to these items, a bit later, as I finish off some other posts.
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