Posted on 05/25/2010 10:14:07 PM PDT by restornu
Anit spelled backwards is Tina. Hope this helps.
Gosh Resty, looks like you bit off a little more than you planned on.
The point of once saved always saved is: God is more powerful than your sin and unbelief. He saves you, and He keeps you saved. It does NOT mean that you can pray the Jesus prayer and then go live a life of licentiousness.
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Exactly, but the LDS cannot see that. God is all powerful.
They believe they have to EARN their salvation. They bring God down to our level and exalt themselves to the level of God (literaly).
Also, is thread is a pathetic attempt at getting Christians to fight over non essential matters.
Oh VERY nicely said. Amen!
The attitude that the OSAS express for years on the FR pages reveals who you folks are and how lax many are towards the commandments of the Lord so much that many have express why try
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Resty, I will T-Y-P-E S-L-O-W-L-Y so you can understand.
As I posted, why would we insult God (by sinning) when He sacrificed so much to save us? I love God too much for that.
Your statement shows that you have NO spiritual understanding. Once Saved Always Saved DOES NOT MEAN LICENSE. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE CAN SIN ALL WE WANT.
YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CONCEPT OF WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. NONE.
Your post implies that just because we believe that God is big enough to save us, and we can’t do it ourselves that we can sin as much as we want to. What is so damn irritating is that the LDS do not understand that liberty in Christ DOES NOT MEAN LICENSE.
But I do know that you have been trained to repeat the lies the Morg teaches.
Come back and play when you are ready to actually learn rather than spout on about things you do not understand.
Honey, not all OSAS are anti’s either.
SLOWLY NOW...
ONE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER.
Where did you leave your brain again?
Yes.
There are plenty of people who oppose the LDS and its odd teachings and who do NOT believe in OSAS.
John writing to Christians, notice the work “if”:
My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the
Father in our defense - Jesus Christ. 1 John 2:1
I don’t believe that we lose our free will after we have received Christ. We still have the free will to give up our salvation (imo). No one can take it but we can forfeit it if that becomes our desire.
I believe in free will as well. God does not save us against our will.
“You do not have to ‘work it off’”
We are saved and our sins are forgiven, not because of what we are but because of what whp Jesus is and what He did.
Amen. I’m saved by God, not by me. I’m reconciled to God by God, through His Covenant, through His Word, His Son. Amen.
A few quick points for now and I'll get back to this later:
First, the doctrine of perseverance of the saints is not held by all Christians. It is not considered to be a doctrine critical to salvation. Whether a person believes an Arminian view opposed to perseverance or a Calvinistic view supporting perseverance, it secondary to the understanding of Christ's atoning blood.
Second, while I'm sure that some misguided people believe that muttering a few magic words and then continuing to live in sin is sufficient for a get-out-of-jail-free card, no mainstream Christian group that I'm aware of teaches such a thing. I have worshipped for years in reformed churches who hold to perseverance of the saints and I don't observe any casualness about following God's law. Just the opposite in fact as sometimes they seem too legalistic, IMO. When a person really understands that salvation through grace by faith alone is a gift, the gratefulness to our Lord is exhibited by a desire to please him. Not based on fear but a desire to please.
Third, Christians universally reject this "license to sin" that you suggest is an outcome of perseverance of the saints. Christians are aware of Paul's condemnation of that "logic" (Romans 6:1-4).
Fourth, Christians can make an imperfect judgment about the spiritual state of person because the Apostle John has given us the insight to do so:
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. (1 John 2:19)
>>> Also, [th]is thread is a pathetic attempt at getting Christians to fight over non essential matters.
I disagree on both counts.
1. I don’t see it as an attempt to cause in-fighting. It is a desperate battle for the hearts and minds of Christians waged by Satan himself. Just as I question my own conviction on the issue, I am sure that non-osas Christians must struggle with their position as well... otherwise, why would they see a need to re-inforce it through persuasion? I find it necessary to address this for the same reason.... it is troubling to me that as a Christian, I still have a desire for sin and therefore frequently question if I was ever saved in the first place... or if I have somehow lost it. In the end, it is my knowledge of God’s word and the core message of dependence upon His Grace that reminds me who is actually in control.
2. The issue is critically essential... not to the salvation of the individual, but rather to the effectiveness of our witness.
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