Posted on 05/24/2010 7:40:38 PM PDT by Colofornian
I’m holding in my hand my black hardcover copy of Mormon Doctrine by Bruce R. McConkie, one of Mormonism’s most influential books, an all-time Mormon bestseller, which went out of print this week.
A book written, I’m sure, with the best of intentions by a revered Mormon leader. And, still, a book that continued to circulate even after other high-ranking Mormon leaders recommended more than one thousand corrections to its content.
A book that called Roman Catholicism the “Church of the Devil.” And a book that elevated to doctrinal status non-doctrinal folklore about the origins of the LDS Church’s ban on conveying priesthood authority to members of African descent, claiming that blacks were the descendents of the accursed Cain.
A book that due to its authoritative presentation and doctrinal fundamentalism gave many Mormons reasons for grief.
Mormon Doctrine (1958 – 2010), RIP.
Yes we are.
Of course from this we can assume it says last name: replies, first name: 999 on your drivers license...
After all you would only do your so called "anti bullying" bullying in the open...
You post obsessively on LDS Religion Forum threads with no theological or philosophical context. Instead your posts attack those who are actually posting theological arguments.
That makes you a trouble-maker, a flame baiter.
Do not post on the Religion Forum at all until such a time you can convince me by Freepmail that you have theological or philosophical input and will refrain from inciting flame wars.
McConkie is such a poser - the book by smith has over 4000 changes to it.
Mormonism is just a non-prophet organization. . . .
LOL...
Until you are really wrong, you can’t join the LDS big leagues...
(Well; it’s REALLY on a metal plaque on that stone. Makes it easier to CHANGE it some day...)
If it had been ingraved in stone it could be chiseled out just like the words “Savage indians” on the monument in the Santa Fe Square, but it would leave a tale tail spot.;-)
Like all things Mormon, nothing is written in stone....
should we condem the Presbyterian church or protestants because a church leader wrote about his bias opinions?
Does the LDS as a whole feel that way for what a few might say NO
...do not each of us feel sometimes that those who make careless statements that others wish they be still and seat down.
If we watch in the scheme of things we realize it take some a long time to grow to see the errors of their ways.
and if we are fair are there not things we might have thought and said and as we mature wish we never went there!
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Should we also condemn tghe Presbyterian Church because of the biased Joey Smith with an axe to grind and the ugly things he said ???
Should wene hate the Presbyterian Church because Joey Smith did ???
On 29 March 1830, the Smith family were ex-communicated from the Presbyterian Church in Palmyra, NY...
Joey Smith wrote of that time, “I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” (Joseph Smith Pearl of great Price (JS History 1:20)
Two weeks later Joey Smith started his own religion, mormonism...
“It is also to the Book of Mormon to which we turn for the plainest description of the Catholic Church as the great and abominable church. Nephi saw this ‘church which was the most abominable above all other churches’ in vision. He ’saw the devil that he was the foundation of it’ and also the murders, wealth, harlotry, persecutions, and evil desires that historically have been a part of this satanic organization.” (Bruce R. McConkie)
***Like all things Mormon, nothing is written in stone....***
Kind of like some of the marble statues of the Roman Emperors. The statues had removable heads so they could change it out when a new Emperor arrived on the scene.;-)
***Alexander Hislop a Presbyterian Minister who wrote “The Two Babylons” an anti Catholic book should we condem the Presbyterian church or protestants because a church leader wrote about his bias opinions?****
I don’t believe THE TWO BABYLONS has ever been considered doctrine in any church.
Now, THE REFORMED DOCTRINE OF PREDESTINATION by Loraine Boettner might be considered official Presbyterian doctrine by some.
The Baptist Faith and Message might also be considered official by some.
Even Joey Smith is under the LDS bus...
He got tossed early ..1890...
The mormons wanted Utah territory to be a state for the bennies more than they wanted polygamy to be the everlasting covenant...
They just put polygamy under covers, and lied to the US government, and proclaimed they werent going to do that any more...
of course they did continue to practice polygamy right up to the 1960s...
But they falsely taught that the mormon stanse was that polygamy was wrong ...and ex-communicated anyone who practiced it...
Imagine...Joey Smith ex-communicated from the religion he started...and Briggy Young ex-communicated from the religion he “perfected”
The mormon “prophets” and “apostles” still practiced polygamy after 1890 (even the one who proclaimed the end of it) but somehow they were exempted from the new rules...
Can you say hypoctrites ???
Its laughable now, but hundreds of lesser mormon guys were imprisoned for bigamy etc during those early years...the ones without the protection of the hiearchical status..
Thrown to the wolves so that Wilford Woodfuff could be safe from prosecution for his continued practice of polygamy long AFTER his “manifesto” to end it in 1890..
AH yes life is good when youre “king”
I am so thankful to the lord to grant me wisdom to see wonderful qualities in the Catholic faith
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The mormon lord hates the Catholic Church so how did that happen ???
why do you continually distort truth TN
Maybe void of conscience I don’t why one continues to display such behavior that the Lord council His children not to engage in..
You notice Barry is loking DOWN on his followers ???
I think that when Jesus gave his “Sermon on the Mount” He must have been at the bottom of the hill...
When I was in Israel we went to that same hill...
We were on the top and way down the bottom at a farm house there were two men speaking in hebrew...
We could hear every word clearly even thpough they were not shouting and had no mikes...
I think it may have been that way with Jesus...
he wanted to be heard not necessarily lord it over the people...
He spoke as he walked in the crowd...and he stood where he could be heard...
People could press into touch Him and be healed...
People could approach Him to ask for prayer...
I read somewhere that someone was sitting with a mormon friend in a restaurant when Dallin Oaks walked through it...
The mormon man pointed him out to his Christian friend...
the Christian said he would go and speak to Oaks but the mormon begged him not too...
The Christian man was surprised when the mormon continued that he wouldnt even do that himself...
When asked the mormon explained that Oaks was so elevated (my word) that nobody dared approach him...it just wasnt done...
How legalistic and worshipped can you get ???
Oaks was treated by the mormons as Barry is by his followers...
the best way to show something to is to provide proof otherwise - as your opinion is like armpits - everyone has a couple of them. Documentation is abundant from mormon prophets and apostles regarding the mormon god's view of catholism, through to including former apostle McConkie. Those views have not been publically repudiated by lds inc to my knowledge.
It is easy to cry that one is distorting the truth. It is quite another to show otherwise. Are you up for that resty?
It was the Lord who was displeased with the philosophy of men not JS get your facts straight!
“I was answered that I must join none of them (Christian churches), for they were all wrong…their creeds were an abomination in [God’s] sight; that those professors were all corrupt” (Joseph Smith—History 1:19).
“All the priests who adhere to the sectarian [Christian] religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels” (The Elders Journal, Joseph Smith, ed. Vol. 1, n. 4, 60).
Joseph Smith the savior of the Mormons
“He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be.”
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
“You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god...”
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
“If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]”
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
There is “no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God”
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt wrote: “The gates of hell have prevailed and will continue to prevail over the Catholic Mother of Harlots, and over all her Protestant Daughters;...the apostate Catholic church, with all her popes and bishops, together with all her harlot daughters shall be hurled down to hell...” (Pamphlets by Orson Pratt, p. 112).
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