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Give Your All To . . . ? . . . . [A Rel Forum Research thread--Open]
Bible, Vultus Christi, Quix's noggin ^ | 28 APR 2010; 30 APR 2010 | Jesus, Mark Kirby & Quix

Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix

GIVE IT ALL TO . . . ? . . . .

--A Research Thread--

. . .

.

7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this:

Our Father in heaven,
may your name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come soon.
May your will be done on earth,
as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today the food we need,[a]
12 and forgive us our sins,
as we have forgiven those who sin against us.
13 And don’t let us yield to temptation,[b]
but rescue us from the evil one.[c]

--New Living Translation

7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.]

8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

9Pray, therefore, like this:

Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed (kept holy) be Your name.
10Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven ([e]left, remitted, and let go of the debts, and have [f]given up resentment against) our debtors.
13And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

14For if you forgive people their trespasses [their [g]reckless and willful sins, [h]leaving them, letting them go, and [i]giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses.

--Amplified

Pray with Simplicity

5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat?

6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace.

7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:

Our Father in heaven,
Reveal who you are.
Set the world right;
Do what's best— as above, so below.
Keep us alive with three square meals.
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil.
You're in charge!
You can do anything you want!
You're ablaze in beauty!
Yes. Yes. Yes.

14-15"In prayer there is a connection between what God does and what you do. You can't get forgiveness from God, for instance, without also forgiving others. If you refuse to do your part, you cut yourself off from God's part.

16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well.
--THE MESSAGE

Mark Kirby:

O Mother of Good Counsel,
Mother of Perpetual Help,
I turn with confidence to thy maternal Heart,
and I renew my total and irrevocable consecration to thee.

I am all thine, Most Holy Mary,
and all that I have is thine.
I give thee my past with its burdens.
I give thee this present moment with its anxieties and fears.
I give thee my future and all that it holds.

There is no part of my life that is not open to thee,
no place so secret, or so darkened by sin
that thy presence and thy influence
are not wholly and ardently desired there.

I want to be completely transparent with thee,
utterly simple, guileless, and childlike.
Thou knowest, O Mother,
all my preoccupations,
all my intentions,
and all those recommended to my prayer.
Take them, I beseech thee, to thy Immaculate Heart
and, as my Advocate, my all-powerful intercessor, and my Mediatrix,
present them to thy Son.
Seeing them presented by thee
and held in thy maternal Heart,
there is nothing that He will not do
to give to each intention the one response
worthy of the infinite mercy and love of His Sacred Heart.

Praying in this way, I can be at rest,
for thou art my Mother,
and all that I entrust to thee will be,
I am sure,
received, and considered, and cared for
with a Mother's love.
Amen.

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TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholicbashing; exclusivity; focus; holiness; marybashing; worship
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To: Outership
I see we see the same.

Far more often than not, yup. :D

701 posted on 05/02/2010 6:37:25 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: Judith Anne; Alex Murphy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2495846/posts?page=504#504

Not at all. We do not, however, worship it. In particular, I personally do not worship Paul, nor do I hang on his every word in the NT. I tend to think he was insane. However, God can do anything, use anybody.


702 posted on 05/02/2010 6:51:45 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Judith Anne; Alex Murphy

And repeated it here....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2495846/posts?page=548#548

Does anyone here think it’s possible to bully me into like St. Paul? Or to scare me into it? I don’t like the man revealed by his writing. I do not think he was very tightly wrapped; I think he may have been insane. His level of sophistication does not impress me.


703 posted on 05/02/2010 6:56:13 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

“...tend to think...”


704 posted on 05/02/2010 7:00:16 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: metmom

“...may have been...”


705 posted on 05/02/2010 7:00:44 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: metmom

Since there were over a thousand posts about MY OPINION OF ST. PAUL, do we have to drag it onto this thread and re-hash it again? I thought that was against the rules, anyway, to drag a particular statement someone makes, from thread to thread. It’s like stalking, or spamming.

Are you still outraged? My, my, I hope it doesn’t give you an acid stomach.

But, if you can’t handle people disagreeing with you, and if you are so thin-skinned that you think you must CRUSH people who disagree with you, feel free to try.

Considering the sheer goofiness of SOME of the responses reinforces my opinion of St. Paul.

Oh, and just in case THIS old canard comes to mind, MY OPINION IS NOT NECESSARILY THE OPINION OF SOME, ANY, OR ALL CATHOLICS.


706 posted on 05/02/2010 7:06:33 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Ken4TA
You are very correct - priests are not a part of the offices of Christian churches. Romeans (sic) have changed the meaning of "presbyteros" to mean a "priest" instead of its true meaning of an Elder/Bishop.

I guess one man's presbyteros is another man's hiereus, eh? After all, what's in a word? /sarc

Peter tells us that Paul wrote some thing that are hard to understand which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other scriptures, to their own destruction (II Peter 3:15-16).

Followed immediately by:

2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

(e-Sword:KJV)

Thx for your reply.

707 posted on 05/02/2010 7:13:02 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: Outership
Absolutely! I have a plastic St. Earnhardt, Patron Saint of Varoom on my dashboard. Prayers to him keep the car running. /s

: P

708 posted on 05/02/2010 7:15:21 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: Quix

d00d. That was an EPIC rant. Epic, and true. Thanks.


709 posted on 05/02/2010 7:23:31 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: Quix
Same Holy Spirit resides in all AUTHENTIC BELIEVERS.

Amen!

710 posted on 05/02/2010 7:27:07 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: Quix
Kind of shoots down the fantasy of homogeneity of belief and practice in the Vatican Institution.

I wish folks would dwell on that a bit.

711 posted on 05/02/2010 7:29:40 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Quix

Thank you both for your encouragements!


712 posted on 05/02/2010 8:09:15 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: mlizzy; metmom

Ahhhhh, yes . . .

The OUTRAGEOUSLY UNBIBLICAL, devilish, idolatrous, blasphemous

MEDIATRIX role

foisted upon the sheeple by various bureaucratic elite power mongering blokes.

What an insult to the authentic Biblical Mary.


713 posted on 05/02/2010 8:13:51 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

INDEED! AMEN! AMEN!

= = =

And men are not instructed to “give their all to Mary.” God forbid.

RC apologists should flee any person or organization that encourages that kind of anti-Scriptural, anti-Christian thinking. It may feel all warm and cozy and familial, but sentimental idolatry often feels good to our fallen hearts.

Resist it. Christ alone is worthy of our “all.”

“For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.” — Hebrews 3:3


714 posted on 05/02/2010 8:14:57 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Judith Anne; metmom

GOODNESS! What a short memory!

1. IIRC, You raised the issue in THIS thread DENYING that you’d said such things—DENYING SUCH IN THIS THREAD.

2. Talking about issues relevant to this thread is far from stalking a PERSON thread to thread.

3. Thinking before typing can be an advantageous blessing.

4. Blaming, obfuscating, irrational slipping and sliding around issues pointing fingers elsewhere is not usually a very faithful route to enlightenment.


715 posted on 05/02/2010 8:20:11 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: roamer_1

Thanks.

Alas, it seems to have been over the heads, comprehension of a number of the rabid clique type folks . . .

or was it . . . over their . . . uhhh . . . will to believe truth?


716 posted on 05/02/2010 8:34:51 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: roamer_1

I think it’s toooooo frightful for them to contemplate.

So they MUST rapidly scroll by to avoid disturbing thoughts when they try to sleep.


717 posted on 05/02/2010 8:36:08 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: metmom
So, Satan can obviously perform miracles, signs, and wonders. Jesus Himself warned us about that and to be on guard against it.

Absolutely TRUE.

If someone puts forth an unbiblical teaching and produces a *miracle* to verify it, it's not going to be from Christ. He would never contradict His word.

Hence, again, the absolute requirement that the Holy Word of God be made paramount - above ANY tradition of any kind. It is the rod to measure all things by.

good post.

718 posted on 05/02/2010 8:55:21 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: Quix

Is there anyone on this thread who doesn’t know to whom you refer?

LOL! Careful, gnawing on others’ faults so persistently can cause dental problems. Whereas, gnawing on one’s own faults can lead to good health, sound teeth and happiness!

Do you do yard work? Growing flowers and food in the sunshine can be constructive for all sorts of ills, especially RA. Why, a person could feel terrific, full of the joy of life and gratitude to the Savior for His Love.

Apple sauce, scrambled eggs, soups, milk based smoothies, peanut butter sandwiches (creamy smooth, not crunchy) cottage cheese,jello, are all good for people with dental problems.

I hope you can dwell on something constructive, instead of getting hysterical over the Vatican agents again.


719 posted on 05/02/2010 8:55:34 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: roamer_1

Jesus Christ, the Risen Son of God Almighty is my Lord and Savior.

Be careful how you treat others. Especially Samaritans. You may need help from one of them, someday.


720 posted on 05/02/2010 8:57:27 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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