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Give Your All To . . . ? . . . . [A Rel Forum Research thread--Open]
Bible, Vultus Christi, Quix's noggin ^ | 28 APR 2010; 30 APR 2010 | Jesus, Mark Kirby & Quix

Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix

GIVE IT ALL TO . . . ? . . . .

--A Research Thread--

. . .

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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this:

Our Father in heaven,
may your name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come soon.
May your will be done on earth,
as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today the food we need,[a]
12 and forgive us our sins,
as we have forgiven those who sin against us.
13 And don’t let us yield to temptation,[b]
but rescue us from the evil one.[c]

--New Living Translation

7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.]

8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

9Pray, therefore, like this:

Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed (kept holy) be Your name.
10Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven ([e]left, remitted, and let go of the debts, and have [f]given up resentment against) our debtors.
13And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

14For if you forgive people their trespasses [their [g]reckless and willful sins, [h]leaving them, letting them go, and [i]giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses.

--Amplified

Pray with Simplicity

5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat?

6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace.

7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:

Our Father in heaven,
Reveal who you are.
Set the world right;
Do what's best— as above, so below.
Keep us alive with three square meals.
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil.
You're in charge!
You can do anything you want!
You're ablaze in beauty!
Yes. Yes. Yes.

14-15"In prayer there is a connection between what God does and what you do. You can't get forgiveness from God, for instance, without also forgiving others. If you refuse to do your part, you cut yourself off from God's part.

16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well.
--THE MESSAGE

Mark Kirby:

O Mother of Good Counsel,
Mother of Perpetual Help,
I turn with confidence to thy maternal Heart,
and I renew my total and irrevocable consecration to thee.

I am all thine, Most Holy Mary,
and all that I have is thine.
I give thee my past with its burdens.
I give thee this present moment with its anxieties and fears.
I give thee my future and all that it holds.

There is no part of my life that is not open to thee,
no place so secret, or so darkened by sin
that thy presence and thy influence
are not wholly and ardently desired there.

I want to be completely transparent with thee,
utterly simple, guileless, and childlike.
Thou knowest, O Mother,
all my preoccupations,
all my intentions,
and all those recommended to my prayer.
Take them, I beseech thee, to thy Immaculate Heart
and, as my Advocate, my all-powerful intercessor, and my Mediatrix,
present them to thy Son.
Seeing them presented by thee
and held in thy maternal Heart,
there is nothing that He will not do
to give to each intention the one response
worthy of the infinite mercy and love of His Sacred Heart.

Praying in this way, I can be at rest,
for thou art my Mother,
and all that I entrust to thee will be,
I am sure,
received, and considered, and cared for
with a Mother's love.
Amen.

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TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholicbashing; exclusivity; focus; holiness; marybashing; worship
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To: Quix
He knows the truth most emphatically.

Yes He does ,and I pray for us both to follow it with fear and trembling

681 posted on 05/01/2010 10:08:58 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Quix

Amen, quix!

He who has ears to hear, let him hear!


682 posted on 05/01/2010 10:10:13 PM PDT by bonfire (ou)
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To: stfassisi

Thanks for your castigations.

I appreciate the Heavenly reward that they accrue to my account there.

It is also a welcome and humblingly wonderful thing to see how outrageously distant your accusations are from the realities involved. Thanks for that, too.


683 posted on 05/01/2010 10:10:15 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: stfassisi
YOU said Luke made “conspicuous comparisons”. Either he did or he did not. My beliefs and your assumptions about them are irrelevant to the point.
684 posted on 05/01/2010 10:10:31 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Religion Moderator

Aye aye.

Sorry, I should have been more alert and mindful of that.


685 posted on 05/01/2010 10:11:52 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
A root of bitterness usually clouds, distorts, obscures perception.

A root of love bothers people who don't perceive love because they are blinded by pride

686 posted on 05/01/2010 10:12:06 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: bonfire

Thanks for your kind reply.


687 posted on 05/01/2010 10:13:10 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Thanks for the Scriptures ,dear sister


688 posted on 05/01/2010 10:13:47 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Running On Empty
Thank you for sharing your beautiful testimony and insights, dear sister in Christ!

The deeds God loves the most are those He alone has witnessed. Remember Nathaniel?

Indeed.

Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

Therefore when thou doest [thine] alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. - Matt 6:1-4

Jesus continues that theme throughout chapter 6 of Matthew.

God's Name is I AM

689 posted on 05/01/2010 10:16:25 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!


690 posted on 05/01/2010 10:21:38 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Mad Dawg
The granting of indulgences, given the history of the practice, would not be something I would claim benefits anyone.
691 posted on 05/01/2010 10:46:11 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: stfassisi
Are you some special messenger of God that has no consistent historical interpretations of Scripture?

Reminds me of your Origen, one of your great church fathers...He is pretty much responsible for the false notion that most scripture was to be taken as allegory...In other words, scripture is not literal, it means something other than what it says...But unfortunately, no Catholic ever figured out what the allegories alluded to, but yet your church still follows this private min-interpretation of the scripturs...

And so then, it is the Catholic historical position that most scripture is allegorical...

So does that make Origen's premise true??? Of course not...All that shows is that Origen looked at scripture thru the eyes of the 'natural' man...The scripture that Origen and his followers couldn't/can't figure out tells us that...

692 posted on 05/01/2010 10:47:02 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

Origen’s writings are sometimes used, but some of them are heretical and not used by the church...

have to separate the writings from what he later did.


693 posted on 05/01/2010 10:57:03 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Mad Dawg; metmom; Quix
This is not the zero-sum mathematics that leads to talents wrapped in a napkin and buried. This is the arithmetic of talents traded and doubled...

This is language. And words mean something.

Rome is forever telling us ridiculous things and then furiously trying to explain away the clear and simple meaning of those words.

Men are not an "alter Christus," no matter how Rome would like to finagle the definition. There is no Christ but Jesus and He is in heaven, not on any alter.

And men are not instructed to "give their all to Mary." God forbid.

RC apologists should flee any person or organization that encourages that kind of anti-Scriptural, anti-Christian thinking. It may feel all warm and cozy and familial, but sentimental idolatry often feels good to our fallen hearts.

Resist it. Christ alone is worthy of our "all."

"For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house." -- Hebrews 3:3

694 posted on 05/01/2010 11:51:53 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alamo-Girl
If we love any thing or any one equal to or more than God - if only for a moment - then that thing or that one is for us an idol.

Amen! The irrefutable bottom line.

695 posted on 05/01/2010 11:54:20 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: count-your-change

Amen. Just the opposite. God does not barter His grace and I doubt He’d be happy if we assume He does.


696 posted on 05/01/2010 11:58:28 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

WELL AND BIBLICALLY SAID, imho.

Thx.


697 posted on 05/02/2010 12:15:18 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Alamo-Girl

YES, INDEED! imho, also, the IRREFUTABLE BOTTOM LINE:

- - -

If we love any thing or any one equal to or more than God - if only for a moment - then that thing or that one is for us an idol.

Amen! The irrefutable bottom line.


698 posted on 05/02/2010 12:16:19 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: bonfire

What does that have to do with worshiping an edifice?


699 posted on 05/02/2010 4:17:49 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: metmom
PietaMetmom, Mary is a go-between, and you evidently didn't read Fr. Mark's prayer in its totality or you would have read these words;

" ... as my Advocate and all-powerful intercessor and Mediatrix, present them to thy Son.

Nowhere in Father Mark's prayer, does he refer to Mary as God. Her purpose is to bring people to her Son. If you'd like to learn about the Catholic Faith, instead of spreading calumny, please see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and anything written by Father J. Hardon. My husband recommended Aquinas or Augustine, and he especially recommended The Story of a Soul, which is an autobiography of St. Therese of Lisieux, "The Little Flower." It is an easy read, whereas Aquinas and/or Augustine are surely tougher. One of my favorite holy books as a complement to the Holy Bible is The Imitation of Christ by Thomas A. Kempis. If you read anything from these books (here's a link to search the Catechism) and wish to discuss their content, that would be cool.
700 posted on 05/02/2010 5:41:55 AM PDT by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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