Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix
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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this: Our Father in heaven, --New Living Translation 7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.] 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. 9Pray, therefore, like this: 15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses. --Amplified Pray with Simplicity 5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat? 6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace. 7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this: 16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well. |
Mark Kirby: O Mother of Good Counsel, I am all thine, Most Holy Mary, There is no part of my life that is not open to thee, I want to be completely transparent with thee, Praying in this way, I can be at rest, |
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God cannot lie and God cannot change.
James 1:17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.
Hebrews 6:17 Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath. 18God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged.
Amen
She did not say..INVESTIGATE she said held up to scripture . That is very different standard
The Immaculate conception can be traced back to the early Church
Here are examples
"THe was the ark formed of incorruptible wood. For by this is signified that His tabernacle was exempt from putridity and corruption." Hippolytus, Orations Inillud, Dominus pascit me (ante A.D. 235).
First of all that is almost 300 years after Christ, it is not contemporary. 2) This is a false teaching because the ark was a type of Christ , not Mary 3) The church fathers were not infallible and often were at odds or disagreed on doctrine among themselves . Reading this quote makes me wonder about the salvation of the author to be honest
"This Virgin Mother of the Only-begotten of God, is called Mary, worthy of God, immaculate of the immaculate, one of the one." Origen, Homily 1(A.D. 244).
And Origin was called a heretic by many Catholics on some doctrine . Notice he did not here, speak of her CONCEPTION or her spiritual condition..He may have been speaking f the conception of Jesus being immaculate
All I ask is show using the scriptures where Jesus or any of the apostles said Mary was sinless..
All of the quotes are made by fallible men .
Ouch. Put some ice on that.
Incidentally, I actually went back and reread your post in case I somehow missed the Scripture you assert that you printed there.
I still can’t find it.
Can you please highlight the Scripture you are referring to? Now I am really curious to see it. I hope you are not referring to the “Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3.3.2” as “Scripture”. If you are, then I think we have found the problem.
I agree
“Why is it so important to Catholics to believe that Mary was always a virgin when Scripture teaches that she wasn’t?
And why is it so important to Catholics to think and believe that Jesus was an only child?”
Because Satan likes this setup. The Goddess and Child motif has been a central figure of pagan worship since Nimrod’s Babylon. In fact, the Babylon Mystery Religion had as it’s central figure of worship a Queen of Heaven with Child.
This same Queen of Heaven is still worshiped today, only its name has been changed to “Mary”. Everything else about how it is worshiped has remained identical.
There have been books written on research people have done into the origins of the Roman edifice. Very scholarly books that detail exactly how this Babylon religion has been preserved in its entirety through the Roman edifice.
As has been witnessed on even just this thread alone, it is the easiest thing in the world to lead people into blasphemy and idolatry by using this setup. Something to do with the nature of how people are fallen. Satan sure knows how to sucker folk good.
I am not talking about what God can do in some vague and meaningless sense. The proposition you challenged was "Whether God can do whatever he wants," not "Whether God can do anything whatsoever in some abstract or speculative sense."
You were hitting the buzzer over what you thought was an error of logic. Surely you see the logical difference between "God can do anything whatsoever," and "God can do whatever he wants."
So, likewise, the quote from James only applies if we know that God wants to change, and the one from Hebrews only if we know God wants to lie.
In a larger sense though, Protestants generally seem to think, contra Paul, that Freedom is the ability to chose whatever course of action one pleases. Catholics, with Paul, understand that freedom is the ability to choose the good and to act on one's choice.
We see a difference between the alcoholic's craving for a drink and our Lady's grace-given desire to be the handmaid of the Lord. The first is not freedom.
The relevance is that God is utterly free For him to want to change or to lie is a failure or defect of wanting, not true wanting. He knows the good, 'wants' the good, and does it. He can do whatever he wants, as the Psalmist says.
It is, I must admit, a source of pleasure to have someone contradict the plain sense of Scripture to prove a Catholic wrong.
“Catholics should just get rid of the whole Mary thing as the distraction from Jesus that it is and get on with focusing on Him, and giving HIM their all.”
Amen.
“But then, they’d be in effect admitting that the Protestants were right and we couldn’t have any of that, now could we?”
LOL. Too true.
Thank you for admitting defeat.
Now please look at why you lost, at how Romeianity is false and how the only Way is through Christ which can be found in His Word.
Accept Christ. Repent of Mary and Edifice idolatry. Repent of blasphemies. Accept Christ as your only Savior and His work as sufficient for your complete salvation. Read the complete Bible and pray all the while for God to reveal to you the Wisdom in it.
Oh it is terrible to see that. That kind of thing makes me sick to my stomach. I just cannot believe how someone would toss away there only Hope, Christ, for a piece of stone. A piece of stone that represents worship of Satan. What a heart grieving sight.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2503880/posts?page=392#392
campion -post 392... “He’s God. He can do whatever he wants. “
MD: ‘You were hitting the buzzer over what you thought was an error of logic. Surely you see the logical difference between “God can do anything whatsoever,” and “God can do whatever he wants.”’
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MD: “In a larger sense though, Protestants generally seem to think, contra Paul, that Freedom is the ability to chose whatever course of action one pleases. Catholics, with Paul, understand that freedom is the ability to choose the good and to act on one’s choice.”
That is not an accurate summary of Protestant thinking. I don’t know where you got it, but I don’t know of any Protestant doctrine that teaches that. It is much closer to what you claim is Catholic thinking.
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MD: “It is, I must admit, a source of pleasure to have someone contradict the plain sense of Scripture to prove a Catholic wrong.”
Well, too bad it’s such a short lived pleasure because I didn’t do that. You only think I did.
Certainly I can. But the statement that was made was what I copied and pasted above, with the link. It is a false premise and any argument which starts that way is doomed.
Yep. Exactly.
Maybe Alex Murphy can find that exact post of mine.
I did not admit defeat.
I refused to engage. There is a great difference.
I don’t consider what should be a civil discussion as a game to be played with winners and losers and gotchas.
I did not lose anything.
Your advice to me is unsolicited, unwarranted and unwelcome.
And this is my one and only reply to you.
There won’t be any other.
Nothing else is necessary.
Ooops. lost a response there somehow.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2503880/posts?page=392#392
campion -post 392... “He’s God. He can do whatever he wants. “
MD: ‘You were hitting the buzzer over what you thought was an error of logic. Surely you see the logical difference between “God can do anything whatsoever,” and “God can do whatever he wants.”’
I do know the difference. I was responding to what was posted. If campion had meant different, it would have behooved him to make that more clear. I can only go by what I read. If someone implies different meanings that what the words actually say, there is no way for anyone to know that.
Why drag AM into it?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2495846/posts?page=1358#1358
mm: BTW, because I was baptized Catholic and have dissociated myself from their church, they think that that guarantees me a place in hell as a special kind of heretic unless I repent and return to the church.
JA: Oh, no, the Catholic Church won’t guarantee you a place in hell for heresy. You can do that all by yourself.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2495846/posts?page=1415#1415
The Church does not send anyone to hell. People choose hell for themselves.
FWIW, you didn’t really respond to the comment I made. You erected a strawman to beat down.
The Catholic church certainly does teach that those who don’t follow it are going to hell, ESPECIALLY those who willingly left the Catholic church, and practitioners of Catholicism agree with it, as has been seen on many Catholic threads and as I have been told by Catholics personally.
My salvation is based on the finished work of Christ on the cross, not membership or adherence to a certain denomination. Churches don’t save. Jesus does.
The Catholic church can try to blackmail me back into it all it wants with threats of my eternal destiny, but it’s wasting its time. I would never join up with ANY organization which uses such despicable tactics or those such as ex-communicating people, which in the RCC eyes is sending them to hell. What kind of church would really exercise that power even if they really had the ability to do so?
No, you did not refuse to engage, as there was no debate, but you refused to answer the questions.
That is essentially admitting defeat, not refusing to engage.
Answering questions is not *engaging*. It's simply answering questions.
Well...it could have been drug use...but I don't think Paul was into that stuff.;o) Course, you know baseball was mentioned - "In the beginning (big inning)..." and tennis - David said he "served in Saul's court." There are many more like that and does, in a humorous way, show how the Bible can be "tweaked" to say just about anything.
You are wrong about what I said, and about the Catholic Church.
But I’m willing for you to find ANYWHERE in the Catechism of the Catholic Church that you will go to hell for leaving the Church. Frankly, I would think they would most likely THANK you for leaving.
There's a "search" tool on the upper right - works for everyone (not just mods). Why not try it for yourself?
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