Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix
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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this: Our Father in heaven, --New Living Translation 7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.] 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. 9Pray, therefore, like this: 15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses. --Amplified Pray with Simplicity 5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat? 6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace. 7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this: 16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well. |
Mark Kirby: O Mother of Good Counsel, I am all thine, Most Holy Mary, There is no part of my life that is not open to thee, I want to be completely transparent with thee, Praying in this way, I can be at rest, |
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Certainly in far too many cases, it seems so.
Read what I wrote in 2000.
Neither is there any record of instructions that Peter was to pass that authority (for lack of a better word) on to anyone else.
There is no record of Peter granting remission of sins to anyone or withholding it, or any other disciple that I can think of.
Peter never referred to the incident anywhere in recorded Scripture and neither did any of the other disciples, as they certainly could have at the Council of Jerusalem.
As a matter of fact, that would have been the perfect opportunity to, especially since James was there, who would have been familiar with the incident since he apparently was there and heard it. If he thought that Jesus meant to establish Peter as the head of His church, James would have been wrong to not defer to Peter at that point and everyone else would have known it. Peter didn’t take the opportunity to put himself forward, reminding the others of what Christ said and then using that authority to make the final decision himself, without anyone else’s input.
Over three hundred years pass between Jesus making that statement and the establishment of the Catholic Church and the papacy,with very little information in recorded history of the Catholic church or it’s actions for that time period.
Excuse me if that causes me to be skeptical of the claims the Catholic church uses to justify its teachings and doctrines.
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Mark 9: 33They came to Capernaum. When he was in the house, he asked them, “What were you arguing about on the road?” 34But they kept quiet because on the way they had argued about who was the greatest.
35Sitting down, Jesus called the Twelve and said, “If anyone wants to be first, he must be the very last, and the servant of all.”
36He took a little child and had him stand among them. Taking him in his arms, he said to them, 37”Whoever welcomes one of these little children in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me does not welcome me but the one who sent me.”
Luke 9: 46 An argument started among the disciples as to which of them would be the greatest. 47Jesus, knowing their thoughts, took a little child and had him stand beside him. 48Then he said to them, “Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. For he who is least among you all—he is the greatest.”
Luke 22:24 Also a dispute arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest. 25Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. 26But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves.
lol, 2 o’clock in the morning post. Of course it’s “ineffable”. I was thinking about it later then starting laughing when I remembered the “reputes” I hit you with awhile back.
Wow. Is that ever dodging the question.
The RC doctrine of the assumption says Mary rose into heaven bodily, in time and space and reality (based on nothing in the Bible but only upon some men's desires to feminize the church.)
Now you are telling us this doctrine, however anti-Scriptural, can be seen as simply a pretty Coming Attraction of future events and so what harm does it do to believe this supposition, however allegorical or even fictitious?
Is this how RC apologists explain the doctrine to non-RCs; easing them in, so to speak? Because I sure don't recall hearing RCs put forth the assumption as mere conjecture and not actual, historical fact.
It's like saying "never mind this loony doctrine we're completely fabricating which contradicts the word of God; just go with it because we think the idea of it is really nice and sweetly-scented and maybe some disgruntled Protestants will buy it."
Rome builds many of its beliefs out of thin air and justifies them by saying men need to breath, so inhale. Yet a belief in the bodily assumption of Mary completely undermines the Biblical truth that God alone is worthy of our prayers, our thoughts, our faith, our following and "our all."
And given the fact the assumption of Mary was only deemed official RC doctrine in 1950, it would seem this belief is pretty recent "eschatology."
The Holy Father's Prayer for the Marian Year," John Paul II asks Mary to do what only God can do -- comfort, guide, strengthen, and protect "the whole of humanity ..." His prayer ends: "Sustain us, O Virgin Mary, on our journey of faith and obtain for us the grace of eternal salvation."
Idolatry.
Do Roman Catholics ever read the Bible?
"And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." -- John 1:16-17"Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee" -- Psalm 55:22
So much for "infallible in matters of religion." A child could get this more right than this bishop of Rome.
Just wanted you to remember heaven only has ONE KING , The same one that is the cornerstone of the church
Do you believe it is an actual key ring? As I was saying, Protestants are really good at figuring out ways to dismiss as insignificant whatever is inconvenient.
No answer huh wag? What do the keys open? The Mormons believe one has to be approved by Joseph Smith to get into heaven..do we need peters approval?
Exactly what did Peters key open Wag?
Isn't it funny how Protestant theology "grows" to address what they oppose at the moment? The reality is that neither Luther nor Calvin ever suggested that Saint Peter wasn't the Pope or that the Virgin Mary wasn't the Mother of God, but those things became "necessary" for Protestants later, so it was changed.
And catholics did not always agree on what constituted the scriptures , or private confession to a priest nor did they HAVE to believe as a doctrine the bread was the body of Christ or that may was assumed into heaven
BTW Luther thought the pope was the anti christ I believe
You can not tell us what the keys open ..so you do go on and on :)
Thought you might like to read this
...Why have I wanted to make this little introduction? In order to suggest to you that in Peter the Church is to be recognized. Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter's confession. What is Peter's confession? 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' There's the rock for you, there's the foundation, there's where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer.
Sermons, Volume III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327.
So Wag one more time.. what did the keys open?
Great deconstruction!
It's sounded more than just a little Gnostic to me, combined with all the "mystery" of this or that.
And it was not minor details but how that the new “nation” was being formed and who would be given opportunity to be part of it.
This statement and understanding of Christ is our universal statement of faith and is the "key" to the kingdom. this kingdom is spiritual and only those "born from above" have access to it, ie, the keys.
Here’s an idea, next time you decide to accuse me of being a gnostic (based on NOTHING), maybe you could have the courtesty of pinging me.
That’t an awful long post to refute NOTHING that I posted in #2000, isn’t it?
exactly
You and I weren’t given any keys and the church was built upon Christ as the corner stone so can you elaborate a bit on you statement.
That is how it comes across, to me as a Christian who takes no part in that church. You don't like what I said, I suggest you address the substance of it, instead of running to mommy.
The concept of binding and loosing was a rabbinical concept. Binding and loosing is an old, archaic thing. It would be permitting and forbidding in our terms. And, Jesus said to the Apostles, you remember “that whatever you forbid on earth, shall have been forbidden in Heaven, and whatever you permit on earth shall have been permitted in Heaven.” In other words, He is simply saying, when you act in agreement with the revelation of God, Heaven is acting on your behalf.
Since you've never proved it at all, it will be difficult for you to prove it again. However, I can lead you through the Gospels very well. I can even provide them to you, since they seem to have been redacted from the Calvinist Bibles.
Matthew 16: 8 When Jesus went into the region of Caesarea Philippi 9 he asked his disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" 14 They replied, "Some say John the Baptist, 10 others Elijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." 15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" 16 11 Simon Peter said in reply, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." 17 Jesus said to him in reply, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood 12 has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. 18 And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, 13 and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. 14 Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
Revelation 1: 9 7 I, John, your brother, who share with you the distress, the kingdom, and the endurance we have in Jesus, found myself on the island called Patmos 8 because I proclaimed God's word and gave testimony to Jesus. 10 I was caught up in spirit on the Lord's day 9 and heard behind me a voice as loud as a trumpet, 11 which said, "Write on a scroll 10 what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea." 12 11 Then I turned to see whose voice it was that spoke to me, and when I turned, I saw seven gold lampstands 13 and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, 12 wearing an ankle-length robe, with a gold sash around his chest. 14 The hair of his head was as white as white wool or as snow, 13 and his eyes were like a fiery flame. 15 His feet were like polished brass refined in a furnace, 14 and his voice was like the sound of rushing water. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars. 15 A sharp two-edged sword came out of his mouth, and his face shone like the sun at its brightest. 17 When I caught sight of him, I fell down at his feet as though dead. 16 He touched me with his right hand and said, "Do not be afraid. I am the first and the last, 18 the one who lives. Once I was dead, but now I am alive forever and ever. I hold the keys to death and the netherworld. 17
So, Peter holds the keys to the kingdom of Heaven, and Jesus holds the keys to death and the netherworld. Repent of slavish devotion to the sins of men and pick up your cross and follow the words of Jesus.
You were posting to a post that RnMom made to me.
You quoted RnMom's post where she referred to be as Wag, so you most certainly mentioned me.
I was responding to someone else entirely, and was referring to this occasional and very odd Roman Catholic reference to "the key" as if it were The Greater Key Of Solomon or something, the key to secret knowledge, the key to all these "mysteries" in the Roman Catholic Church. In case your'e unfamiliar, that's reputedly a kabbalistic magical treatise.
That is a Jewish book from a few centuries ago which has NOTHING to do with the Catholic Church.
That is how it comes across, to me as a Christian who takes no part in that church.
How it "came across"? I was the one asking if RnMom thought it was an actual key.
You don't like what I said, I suggest you address the substance of it, instead of running to mommy.
I didn't run to anyone, I simply pointed out that it was courteous to ping a person you were talking about by name.
As far as addressing it, I have long since given up caring what adjectives are used to defame the Catholic Church.
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