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Give Your All To . . . ? . . . . [A Rel Forum Research thread--Open]
Bible, Vultus Christi, Quix's noggin ^ | 28 APR 2010; 30 APR 2010 | Jesus, Mark Kirby & Quix

Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix

GIVE IT ALL TO . . . ? . . . .

--A Research Thread--

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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this:

Our Father in heaven,
may your name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come soon.
May your will be done on earth,
as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today the food we need,[a]
12 and forgive us our sins,
as we have forgiven those who sin against us.
13 And don’t let us yield to temptation,[b]
but rescue us from the evil one.[c]

--New Living Translation

7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.]

8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

9Pray, therefore, like this:

Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed (kept holy) be Your name.
10Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven ([e]left, remitted, and let go of the debts, and have [f]given up resentment against) our debtors.
13And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

14For if you forgive people their trespasses [their [g]reckless and willful sins, [h]leaving them, letting them go, and [i]giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses.

--Amplified

Pray with Simplicity

5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat?

6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace.

7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:

Our Father in heaven,
Reveal who you are.
Set the world right;
Do what's best— as above, so below.
Keep us alive with three square meals.
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil.
You're in charge!
You can do anything you want!
You're ablaze in beauty!
Yes. Yes. Yes.

14-15"In prayer there is a connection between what God does and what you do. You can't get forgiveness from God, for instance, without also forgiving others. If you refuse to do your part, you cut yourself off from God's part.

16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well.
--THE MESSAGE

Mark Kirby:

O Mother of Good Counsel,
Mother of Perpetual Help,
I turn with confidence to thy maternal Heart,
and I renew my total and irrevocable consecration to thee.

I am all thine, Most Holy Mary,
and all that I have is thine.
I give thee my past with its burdens.
I give thee this present moment with its anxieties and fears.
I give thee my future and all that it holds.

There is no part of my life that is not open to thee,
no place so secret, or so darkened by sin
that thy presence and thy influence
are not wholly and ardently desired there.

I want to be completely transparent with thee,
utterly simple, guileless, and childlike.
Thou knowest, O Mother,
all my preoccupations,
all my intentions,
and all those recommended to my prayer.
Take them, I beseech thee, to thy Immaculate Heart
and, as my Advocate, my all-powerful intercessor, and my Mediatrix,
present them to thy Son.
Seeing them presented by thee
and held in thy maternal Heart,
there is nothing that He will not do
to give to each intention the one response
worthy of the infinite mercy and love of His Sacred Heart.

Praying in this way, I can be at rest,
for thou art my Mother,
and all that I entrust to thee will be,
I am sure,
received, and considered, and cared for
with a Mother's love.
Amen.

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To: RnMomof7; Mad Dawg; MarkBsnr; narses; Judith Anne; netmilsmom; Running On Empty; Natural Law; ...
Correction He was given the Keys to the KINGDOM not heaven

Got it, the "kingdom of Heaven" isn't really Heaven.

Just out of curiousity, what is the "Kingdom" our Lord spoke of in the Lord's Prayer?

Keys are only good for one thing..to open something that has been locked.

The Keys were given to Peter after Peter had made a profession of faith ...That is what the keys opened.

Do you believe it is an actual key ring?

As I was saying, Protestants are really good at figuring out ways to dismiss as insignificant whatever is inconvenient.

Isn't it funny how Protestant theology "grows" to address what they oppose at the moment? The reality is that neither Luther nor Calvin ever suggested that Saint Peter wasn't the Pope or that the Virgin Mary wasn't the Mother of God, but those things became "necessary" for Protestants later, so it was changed.

The growth of Protestantism is basically identical to the growth of leftism, EVERYTHING is expendable based upon expediency. Even the way they speak is the same, Protestants say words like "the Pope" and "Catholics" with the same surliness that leftists say "Cheney" and "Halliburton".

It is amusing to watch as of late how Protestants have been willing to play dupes for the leftist media.
- "60 Minutes" runs a segment smearing Bush and conservative Protestants are disgusted.
- "60 Minutes" runs a segment smearing those who oppose homosexual marriage and conservative Protestants are disgusted.
- "60 Minutes" runs a segment smearing those who oppose abortion and conservative Protestants are disgusted.
- "60 Minutes" runs a segment about how Obama is the greatest president ever and conservative Protestants are disgusted.
- "60 Minutes" runs a segment smearing the Catholic Church and conservative Protestants cannot contain their glee.

There are approximately two billion Christians in the world, about sixty percent are Catholic or Orthodox, about 25% are "mainstream" Protestants who have basically embraced secularism, that leaves about 15% of Christians who are orthodox Christians (those who reject moral relativism, secularism, etc.). The funny thing is this 15% doesn't realize that the reason the left doesn't like the Catholic Church is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the reason that they don't like Catholics. But, despite this, they are willing to help the left any way they can to destroy the Catholic Church. And I have a question for this myopic group, if the left were to succeed in destroying the Catholic Church do you really think that they would continue to practice orthodox Christianity and reject moral relativism?

1,981 posted on 05/05/2010 8:19:06 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: fightingirishthomas

UNMITIGATED BALDERDASH.

Sheesh what groundless nonsense.


1,982 posted on 05/05/2010 8:19:54 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: metmom

ABSOLUTELY INDEED:

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Other examples of people bowing down to men or other acts of attributing to men characteristics that belong to God. Kind of sets a precedent, doesn’t it?

Honoring or respecting someone or their position is one thing. As a matter of fact, we are commanded to respect each other. Responding to them in the manner in which you respond to God is another.

Acts 12:21- 23 On the appointed day Herod, wearing his royal robes, sat on his throne and delivered a public address to the people. They shouted, “This is the voice of a god, not of a man.” Immediately, because Herod did not give praise to God, an angel of the Lord struck him down, and he was eaten by worms and died.

Acts 14: 11When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, “The gods have come down to us in human form!” 12Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul they called Hermes because he was the chief speaker. 13The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought bulls and wreaths to the city gates because he and the crowd wanted to offer sacrifices to them.

14But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting: 15”Men, why are you doing this? We too are only men, human like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made heaven and earth and sea and everything in them. 16In the past, he let all nations go their own way. 17Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons; he provides you with plenty of food and fills your hearts with joy.” 18Even with these words, they had difficulty keeping the crowd from sacrificing to them.


1,983 posted on 05/05/2010 8:20:47 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: metmom

INDEED TO THE MAX.


1,984 posted on 05/05/2010 8:22:01 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Iscool
Actually, at the Council of Jerusalem, James was the chief spokesman; it was his suggestion that the church agreed to. Peter played a very insignificant role there and there was no record of them deferring to his judgment or decision making on the issue. On the contrary, the church decided together as a body what to do.

Acts 15:13 When they finished, James spoke up: "Brothers, listen to me. 14Simon has described to us how God at first showed his concern by taking from the Gentiles a people for himself. 15The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

16" 'After this I will return and rebuild David's fallen tent. Its ruins I will rebuild, and I will restore it, 17that the remnant of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who bear my name, says the Lord, who does these things' 18that have been known for ages.

19"It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."

22Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas.

1,985 posted on 05/05/2010 8:22:11 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Iscool

INDEED.


1,986 posted on 05/05/2010 8:22:23 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: wagglebee
It is amusing to watch as of late how Protestants have been willing to play dupes for the leftist media.

Yep.

What ain't funny is that these otherwise honest folks don't realize who their puppet master really is.

1,987 posted on 05/05/2010 8:29:02 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
What ain't funny is that these otherwise honest folks don't realize who their puppet master really is.

Exactly!

1,988 posted on 05/05/2010 8:32:10 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Just out of curiousity, what is the "Kingdom" our Lord spoke of in the Lord's Prayer?

You've been told time and time again but you don't believe it...I'm sure you are not curious at all...

The Lord's Prayer gives you the answer if you pay attention, and side step your pre-programmed theology...

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come
(His Kingdom is coming). Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven (His Kingdom, His physical Kingdom is coming to earth...With Jesus as the physical King on the physical Earth...And His will shall be done on earth as it is in heaven).

His will is certainly NOT being done on Earth as it is in Heaven at this moment...

The only Kingdom on earth at this present time is the Kingdom of God...That is, 'Christ in us, we in Christ...It is completely spiritual...

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

This is scripture...This is in total conflict of what your religion teaches about the Kingdoms of God...You have a choice...Believe your church, or believe God...

1,989 posted on 05/05/2010 8:39:16 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: metmom

Absolutely...They claim scripture is inspired by God, they just don’t bother to believe it...


1,990 posted on 05/05/2010 8:41:31 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool; Mad Dawg; MarkBsnr; narses; Judith Anne; netmilsmom; Running On Empty; Natural Law; ...
You've been told time and time again but you don't believe it...

Tell you what, next time I'm remotely curious about what Nestorians believe I will ask YOU.

This is scripture...This is in total conflict of what your religion teaches about the Kingdoms of God...

I really have no idea what you are talking about, but that's alright because I'm not actually interested in your ideas.

1,991 posted on 05/05/2010 8:46:30 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Mad Dawg
In Scripture the term apostle means, “one who is sent forth” and is usually applied to the twelve apostles of Christ.
Paul was an apostle though not one of the twelve and on occasion an individual congregation would send someone out as an “apostle”.
1,993 posted on 05/05/2010 8:49:28 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: metmom; Mad Dawg; MarkBsnr; narses; Judith Anne; netmilsmom; Running On Empty; Natural Law; ...
It says *whatever* not *whoever*. It doesn't say that He gave man, any man, the ability to determine who enters heaven or who doesn't.

The "whatever" is SIN, bind and loose means the power to bind or forgive sin.

1,994 posted on 05/05/2010 8:49:38 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; count-your-change; Quix; boatbums; RnMomof7; editor-surveyor; wmfights; Iscool; ...
I John 1:5This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. 7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

This was written directly to believers. It's an inspired promise from God that He will forgive our sins if we confess them. Man cannot override that.

And since Scripture cannot contradict itself, there is something wrong with the interpretation of those verses to mean that Jesus gave power to any man to take away sin or hold it against him and send him to hell as a result.

1,995 posted on 05/05/2010 9:00:24 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee

Peter’s vision that explained his commission shows one of the “keys” was opening to the Gentiles the opportunity to become part of that new “nation” being formed.

Jesus had earlier restricted the disciples to preaching only the lost sheep of Israel but now God had directed a Roman army officer to Peter.

Thus the “keys” had nothing to do sin and forgiveness by Peter.


1,996 posted on 05/05/2010 9:01:30 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: metmom

THX THX


1,997 posted on 05/05/2010 9:05:47 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

That, of course, is how we feel about a lot of the RC’s.


1,998 posted on 05/05/2010 9:06:51 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Iscool

The INSTITUTION ALWAYS WINS out over God,

hands down . . . errrr . . . hands genuflecting?


1,999 posted on 05/05/2010 9:08:26 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: metmom; Mad Dawg; MarkBsnr; narses; netmilsmom; Running On Empty; Natural Law; ArrogantBustard; ...
And since Scripture cannot contradict itself, there is something wrong with the interpretation of those verses to mean that Jesus gave power to any man to take away sin or hold it against him and send him to hell as a result.

So, your choice would be to disregard what Jesus Christ ACTUALLY SAID and replace it with YOUR INTERPRETATION of what Saint John wrote?

Let's look a little more at what Saint John had to say, shall we? (And the HE that is speaking below is Jesus Christ, just so you're clear.):

21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained. (John 20:21-22)

2,000 posted on 05/05/2010 9:09:05 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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