Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix
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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this: Our Father in heaven, --New Living Translation 7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.] 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. 9Pray, therefore, like this: 15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses. --Amplified Pray with Simplicity 5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat? 6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace. 7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this: 16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well. |
Mark Kirby: O Mother of Good Counsel, I am all thine, Most Holy Mary, There is no part of my life that is not open to thee, I want to be completely transparent with thee, Praying in this way, I can be at rest, |
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True. Peter made no decision about the use of these keys but from the account and language used it’s clear he was acting upon the decision already made in heaven.
Both the binding and loosing had already been decided upon.
What’s your take on the word “apostle”?
There is nothing in the NT that refers back to that incident, of Jesus allegedly establishing the papacy as Catholics like to interpret that verse to mean.
Nothing was said about it in the book of Acts, nor did Peter himself ever refer to it in any of his writings. He left no instructions about an office that he allegedly had, nor did he leave any instructions on how to pick his successor, which didn’t happen until 300 years later anyway.
And we can all see what kind of corruption of ideas can happen after 300 years. All we have to do is look at how the Constitution has been “reinterpreted” since it was written; people adding all kinds of meanings that the authors did not intend.
The Bible needs to be read and interpreted in context and does not contradict itself, and taking ONE verse and building a whole doctrine out of it with nothing to support it even vaguely, is foolhardy.
The only person able to keep someone out of heaven is the person himself. No other person has the power to do that to another. All giving someone that power to do so would do is invite abuse, as we have clearly seen from history happened.
Hebrews 6:18
“God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged.”
Titus 1:2
“...a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,...”
Nor do these verses contradict Psalm 115:3 “Our God is in heaven; he does whatever pleases him.”
Nor it them. The Bible does not contradict itself. Anyone who thinks that it does is not interpreting the verse correctly.
"All that there is" was created by God for His pleasure:
Excellent!
One of the coolest things to do is to track all the DBR (and ‘MR) words in the OT and the logos words (including logizomai)in the NT.
From the beginning, how does God create? Through the WORD.
Wayomer ‘’, YeHi Or. (from memory and I don’t usually try to transcribe Hebrew) And God SAID Let light be.
So in the Nicene creed the Son is He, by/through whom all things were made.
And then reflect on God ‘reckoning’(logizomai) the redeemed as righteous — it’s like He (pardon my coarse and vigorous imagery) slaps some Jesus up ‘side the redeemed. He ‘Words’ them righteous.
And God don’t speak no fiction, legal, forensic, or otherwise.
1Cr 2:14 — But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
Other examples of people bowing down to men or other acts of attributing to men characteristics that belong to God. Kind of sets a precedent, doesn’t it?
Honoring or respecting someone or their position is one thing. As a matter of fact, we are commanded to respect each other. Responding to them in the manner in which you respond to God is another.
Acts 12:21- 23 On the appointed day Herod, wearing his royal robes, sat on his throne and delivered a public address to the people. They shouted, “This is the voice of a god, not of a man.” Immediately, because Herod did not give praise to God, an angel of the Lord struck him down, and he was eaten by worms and died.
Acts 14: 11When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, “The gods have come down to us in human form!” 12Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul they called Hermes because he was the chief speaker. 13The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought bulls and wreaths to the city gates because he and the crowd wanted to offer sacrifices to them.
14But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting: 15”Men, why are you doing this? We too are only men, human like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made heaven and earth and sea and everything in them. 16In the past, he let all nations go their own way. 17Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons; he provides you with plenty of food and fills your hearts with joy.” 18Even with these words, they had difficulty keeping the crowd from sacrificing to them.
Love your tag line!
Correction He was given the Keys to the KINGDOM not heaven
Christ gave the keys to PETER not to the RCC.. There is no scripture that implies that the keys are transferable ..
Keys are only good for one thing..to open something that has been locked.
The Keys were given to Peter after Peter had made a profession of faith ...That is what the keys opened .
Peter opened the profession of faith to the Jews on Pentecost and to the gentiles when he was sent to Cornelius . the Keys were no longer needed because Peter left the door wide open
How do you construe/interpret these verses?
[Mad Dawg translation] John 20:
21: He[Jesus] said to them [again], “Peace be with you. As the father sent me so I send you.”
{This at least gives room for the concept that the ‘sent-ness’ can be passed on, or is transferable. Jesus didn’t add “except as hereinafter provided.”}
22: And having said this he breathed on them and said “Accept the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of anyone they are forgiven; if you retain [those of] any, they are retained.”
There is no precedent for the papacy and no instructions office anywhere in the NT. The first popes did not show up until after 300 AD, way too long after to even justify saying that the office was handed down from Peter. Where'd those 300 some years ago? Just vanish into the abyss?
In effect, you are your own pope, sharing some beliefs with other Protestants (and unwittingly even with Catholics!) but not all.
You are assuming a lot about what I think and believe. I do not unwittingly share beliefs with Catholics. I'm well aware that there are many areas where Protestantism and Catholicism agree, so that assertion is false.
Like a holocaust denier, you deny the "holiness" of Catholic saints—who gave not money but their lives, "There is no greater love than this ..." (John 15:13) to others for Christ, "Whatsoever you did to the least of my brothers, that you did for me" (Matt 25: 31-46).
I don't care what denomination some one is and how much they gave and what they gave. The saints are believers in Christ no matter where they are and what church they choose to affiliate themselves with. All churches have believers and unbelievers in them and Catholics have no corner on the spirituality and holiness market.
To deny Catholicism is to deny Scripture, deny history, deny Christ; and in doing so make the Bible into a book that ultimately only you can interpret INFALLIBLY…
Hardly. To deny Catholicism is to deny the papacy, prayer to Mary, salvation based on works, all of which is unbiblical. And the history of the Catholic Church is nothing to brag about. Why any Catholic wants to go there is beyond me. I don't need the writings of Luther or Calvin to be able to read and understand Scripture. It's written plain enough. And I never claimed that anyone can interpret the Bible infallibly. Another unfounded assumption.
Do a word study in the Greek on rock. Jesus is using a play on words. Petra means a large rock. Petros means a piece of large rock. It's also not grammatically correct to use the term *this* to mean a person. If Christ had really intended that Peter be the rock on which Christ's church be built then He would have said "On you I will build my church" but He didn't.
Peter's own writings never refer to that incident. Peter said that the church, which is Christ's church not Peter's church, was build on Christ.
I Peter 2:4-7 4As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him— 5you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6For in Scripture it says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
You Catholics just don't get it...There is no pope...There is no human vicar of Christ...
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
The Vicar of Christ that Jesus sent is the Holy Spirit...
The Apostle Peter faded into obscurity as the church began to blossom under the teaching of the Apostle Paul...
Had there ever been an actual pope, it would have been Paul...But Paul rightly considered himself a servant of the churches, not the leader...The only leader is Jesus Christ...
Yours is a false Christianity...An anti-Christianity, made by fallible men...
WELL PUT.
THX.
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
THX.
ABSOLUTELY INDEED:
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There is nothing in the NT that refers back to that incident, of Jesus allegedly establishing the papacy as Catholics like to interpret that verse to mean.
Nothing was said about it in the book of Acts, nor did Peter himself ever refer to it in any of his writings. He left no instructions about an office that he allegedly had, nor did he leave any instructions on how to pick his successor, which didn’t happen until 300 years later anyway.
And we can all see what kind of corruption of ideas can happen after 300 years. All we have to do is look at how the Constitution has been “reinterpreted” since it was written; people adding all kinds of meanings that the authors did not intend.
The Bible needs to be read and interpreted in context and does not contradict itself, and taking ONE verse and building a whole doctrine out of it with nothing to support it even vaguely, is foolhardy.
The only person able to keep someone out of heaven is the person himself. No other person has the power to do that to another. All giving someone that power to do so would do is invite abuse, as we have clearly seen from history happened.
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Maybe a lot of the RC fierceness arises because of the basic shallowness of the foundations of the edifice.
DBR & MR words?
Doesn’t sound like Greek but feels like it. Or I’m not awake yet.
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