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Give Your All To . . . ? . . . . [A Rel Forum Research thread--Open]
Bible, Vultus Christi, Quix's noggin ^ | 28 APR 2010; 30 APR 2010 | Jesus, Mark Kirby & Quix

Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix

GIVE IT ALL TO . . . ? . . . .

--A Research Thread--

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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this:

Our Father in heaven,
may your name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come soon.
May your will be done on earth,
as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today the food we need,[a]
12 and forgive us our sins,
as we have forgiven those who sin against us.
13 And don’t let us yield to temptation,[b]
but rescue us from the evil one.[c]

--New Living Translation

7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.]

8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

9Pray, therefore, like this:

Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed (kept holy) be Your name.
10Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven ([e]left, remitted, and let go of the debts, and have [f]given up resentment against) our debtors.
13And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

14For if you forgive people their trespasses [their [g]reckless and willful sins, [h]leaving them, letting them go, and [i]giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses.

--Amplified

Pray with Simplicity

5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat?

6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace.

7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:

Our Father in heaven,
Reveal who you are.
Set the world right;
Do what's best— as above, so below.
Keep us alive with three square meals.
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil.
You're in charge!
You can do anything you want!
You're ablaze in beauty!
Yes. Yes. Yes.

14-15"In prayer there is a connection between what God does and what you do. You can't get forgiveness from God, for instance, without also forgiving others. If you refuse to do your part, you cut yourself off from God's part.

16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well.
--THE MESSAGE

Mark Kirby:

O Mother of Good Counsel,
Mother of Perpetual Help,
I turn with confidence to thy maternal Heart,
and I renew my total and irrevocable consecration to thee.

I am all thine, Most Holy Mary,
and all that I have is thine.
I give thee my past with its burdens.
I give thee this present moment with its anxieties and fears.
I give thee my future and all that it holds.

There is no part of my life that is not open to thee,
no place so secret, or so darkened by sin
that thy presence and thy influence
are not wholly and ardently desired there.

I want to be completely transparent with thee,
utterly simple, guileless, and childlike.
Thou knowest, O Mother,
all my preoccupations,
all my intentions,
and all those recommended to my prayer.
Take them, I beseech thee, to thy Immaculate Heart
and, as my Advocate, my all-powerful intercessor, and my Mediatrix,
present them to thy Son.
Seeing them presented by thee
and held in thy maternal Heart,
there is nothing that He will not do
to give to each intention the one response
worthy of the infinite mercy and love of His Sacred Heart.

Praying in this way, I can be at rest,
for thou art my Mother,
and all that I entrust to thee will be,
I am sure,
received, and considered, and cared for
with a Mother's love.
Amen.

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TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholicbashing; exclusivity; focus; holiness; marybashing; worship
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To: Quix

Strawman #1: “Why does Paul ask people to pray for him? Doesn’t he think he can take his own requests to God?”

I thought Romeians didn’t care for Paul. Didn’t they say that they think he is insane and should be put in a straight jacket and locked in a padded cell?


181 posted on 04/30/2010 4:43:21 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: mlizzy; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; Quix
She is heartbroken because she has been all but eliminated in non-Catholic faiths

Ridiculous. The HS said through John, He must increase and I must decrease. John 3:30

182 posted on 04/30/2010 4:43:23 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: johngrace; Quix

1) We are all blessed. Jesus said so in the Sermon on the Mount. Why don’t we pray to each other and venerate each other?

2) We don’t need her. God didn’t need her. Any woman who was a virgin of the house and lineage of David would have done.

3) The nature of the Son does not make any difference to the nature of the mother.

4) Jesus honored His birth mother as we should honor our own birth mothers. She’s not anyone’s mother but those to whom she gave physical birth, Jesus and His siblings.

“Does not this make her worthy of our honor? “

Honor? Yes. But you can honor someone without venerating them to the point of worship and praying to them, which are unscriptural because such actions are reserved for God alone.

“Ask the person who tells you otherwise to show in Scripture where it says not to honor her. “

Show us in Scripture where is SAYS to honor her.


183 posted on 04/30/2010 4:44:46 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Haha! Yeah I heard this is exactly how the famous Romeble they are always quoting from was created.


184 posted on 04/30/2010 4:44:57 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: Quix

Amen Amen!


185 posted on 04/30/2010 4:46:28 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; Quix; wmfights
It is written, in the bible, that Enoch and Elijah went up bodily into heaven. It is not written that Mary did. It is a vain belief of man who must needs worship a mother goddess.
186 posted on 04/30/2010 4:46:29 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Outership

Well, dontcha know, it’s a matter of interpreting Paul correctly.

That means, if it supports RC doctrine, then Paul’s OK. If it doesn’t, bring out the straight jacket.


187 posted on 04/30/2010 4:47:04 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: roamer_1

So, is the Church wrong? Should we call priests “Father”? Perhaps Saint Paul can help us here. In his first letter to the Corinthians, he says:

“I am writing you this not to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children. Even if you should have countless guides to Christ, yet you do not have many fathers, for I became your FATHER in Christ Jesus through the gospel. Therefore, I urge you, be imitators of me.” (1Cor 4:14-16)

Be imitators of him? But he calls himself Father Paul! In fact, he goes on in verse 17 to say:

“For this reason I am sending you Timothy, who is my beloved and faithful son in the Lord; he will remind you of my ways in Christ, just as I teach them everywhere in every church.” (1Cor 4:17)

His son? Is this just Saint Paul being difficult to understand? Well, he refers to Saints Timothy and Titus as his true children (1Tim 1:2 and Tit 1:4) and even refers to one individual as “my child Onesimus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment.” (Philemon 10). Seems pretty clear he is referring to himself as a FATHER.


188 posted on 04/30/2010 4:47:43 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: Quix

Seriously. I actually had to see a doctor.


189 posted on 04/30/2010 4:47:53 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

lol, Father Flapdoodle has left the parish


190 posted on 04/30/2010 4:48:57 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: mlizzy

“Back atcha’ ... “Not THAT old canard again ...””

LOL. If a person doesn’t like hearing Biblical truth, then maybe they should just drop the pretense of being Christian. Maybe something like Maryian or Romeian would suffice.


191 posted on 04/30/2010 4:53:42 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: johngrace
Hey, I thought Paul was the crazy one whose writings should be interpreted in the light of the Gospels.

Are you telling me that the RC misinterpretation of that verse by Paul supersedes the teaching of Jesus Himself that we are to call no man *Father*.

Matthew 23: 1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

5"Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'

8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

192 posted on 04/30/2010 4:54:19 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

If you keep My commandments you will abide in My love, AS I HAVE ALSO KEPT MY FATHER’S COMMANDMENTS, AND ABIDE IN HIS LOVE.”, John 15:10.
Now what about ‘honor thy father and thy mother’? Don’t you think He kept that one too? There is certainly ample Scriptural evidence to show that He honored His Father, and there is evidence that He honored His mother as well. In fact, He, GOD Himself, must have obeyed His mother’s, everyday living, ‘mother to child’ commands as He was growing up. This is shown in Luke 2:51, “And He went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was SUBJECT to them.” That is a very profound verse if you think about it. In effect it says, that for many years, the ‘Creator of the Universe’ obeyed the commands of a little Jewish girl, by the name of...Mary. Jesus also acted on her suggestion that the wedding guests were out of wine at Cana, by performing His first public miracle when He turned water into wine in John 2:1-5. Jesus Christ therefore kept the commandment ‘honor thy mother’, as well. If Jesus Christ honored His mother, can we do less? Jesus Christ loves His mother like any good son would. He will defend her from all attacks against her. If you have not honored Mary, what will you tell her Son after you have taken your last breath, and when you meet Him face to face, and He asks you why? Remember, at that point in time, the ‘GOD of Mercy’ becomes the ‘GOD of Justice’. Then it is too late to correct the injustice done to the Mother of GOD. St. Louis Marie Grignion de Montfort said it best in his book ‘True Devotion to Mary’, “Let no one presume to hope for the mercy of GOD, who dares to slight or offend GOD’s mother.”


193 posted on 04/30/2010 4:55:27 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: johngrace
Then it is too late to correct the injustice done to the Mother of GOD. St. Louis Marie Grignion de Montfort said it best in his book ‘True Devotion to Mary’, “Let no one presume to hope for the mercy of GOD, who dares to slight or offend GOD’s mother.”

Got some Scripture to back that up?

194 posted on 04/30/2010 4:56:35 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Wow! Yer the best, thanks.


195 posted on 04/30/2010 4:56:37 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: Outership

It’s true. Catholics need to become Marions and, Mormons , Smithians, drop the pretense of being Christians.


196 posted on 04/30/2010 5:00:34 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: mlizzy

“Do you attract any Christians to your faith via the way you speak?”

Christians are already in the faith of Christ, so I can’t understand your thinking here.

However, I bet you would not believe how many Christians Quix and other Christians attract by speaking Biblical truth.

I for one LOVE hearing the Truth.


197 posted on 04/30/2010 5:01:44 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: metmom
Hyperbole ( , from ancient Greek "ὑπερβολή", meaning excess or exaggeration) is a figure of speech in which statements are exaggerated. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally5.2.27 - ------------Hyperbole “A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in ‘I could sleep for a year’ or ‘This book weighs a ton.’ ”1 “A hyperbole is a deliberate exaggeration in which more is said than is literally meant, in order to add emphasis. When 10 of the Israelite spies reported on their exploration of the land of Canaan, they said, ‘The cities are large and fortified to heaven’ (Deu. 1:28). Obviously they were not saying the walls of the Canaanite cities reached literally to heaven; they were simply stating that the walls were unusually high.”2
198 posted on 04/30/2010 5:02:02 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: johngrace; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; Quix

We are going to stand before the God who proclaimed at the first, that He is a jealous God, one who gave us a manual to live by so that we are without excuse.


199 posted on 04/30/2010 5:03:26 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

If “sola scriptura” was mentioned in Scripture you would have a point, but “sola scriptura” is actually a 16th century man-made invention.

Additionally, the Church has NEVER suggested that the mother of God is a goddess.


200 posted on 04/30/2010 5:03:48 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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