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To: johngrace; Quix

1) We are all blessed. Jesus said so in the Sermon on the Mount. Why don’t we pray to each other and venerate each other?

2) We don’t need her. God didn’t need her. Any woman who was a virgin of the house and lineage of David would have done.

3) The nature of the Son does not make any difference to the nature of the mother.

4) Jesus honored His birth mother as we should honor our own birth mothers. She’s not anyone’s mother but those to whom she gave physical birth, Jesus and His siblings.

“Does not this make her worthy of our honor? “

Honor? Yes. But you can honor someone without venerating them to the point of worship and praying to them, which are unscriptural because such actions are reserved for God alone.

“Ask the person who tells you otherwise to show in Scripture where it says not to honor her. “

Show us in Scripture where is SAYS to honor her.


183 posted on 04/30/2010 4:44:46 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

If you keep My commandments you will abide in My love, AS I HAVE ALSO KEPT MY FATHER’S COMMANDMENTS, AND ABIDE IN HIS LOVE.”, John 15:10.
Now what about ‘honor thy father and thy mother’? Don’t you think He kept that one too? There is certainly ample Scriptural evidence to show that He honored His Father, and there is evidence that He honored His mother as well. In fact, He, GOD Himself, must have obeyed His mother’s, everyday living, ‘mother to child’ commands as He was growing up. This is shown in Luke 2:51, “And He went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was SUBJECT to them.” That is a very profound verse if you think about it. In effect it says, that for many years, the ‘Creator of the Universe’ obeyed the commands of a little Jewish girl, by the name of...Mary. Jesus also acted on her suggestion that the wedding guests were out of wine at Cana, by performing His first public miracle when He turned water into wine in John 2:1-5. Jesus Christ therefore kept the commandment ‘honor thy mother’, as well. If Jesus Christ honored His mother, can we do less? Jesus Christ loves His mother like any good son would. He will defend her from all attacks against her. If you have not honored Mary, what will you tell her Son after you have taken your last breath, and when you meet Him face to face, and He asks you why? Remember, at that point in time, the ‘GOD of Mercy’ becomes the ‘GOD of Justice’. Then it is too late to correct the injustice done to the Mother of GOD. St. Louis Marie Grignion de Montfort said it best in his book ‘True Devotion to Mary’, “Let no one presume to hope for the mercy of GOD, who dares to slight or offend GOD’s mother.”


193 posted on 04/30/2010 4:55:27 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: metmom
I think much of the discussion is missing the obvious question of whether being related to Jesus was of great importance to him.
How did Jesus react when Mary and his brothers were unable to get through the crowd to be near him?

Luke 8:19-21: “Then came to him his mother and his brethren, and could not come at him for the press.

And it was told him by certain which said Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee.

And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.”

There is the relationship Jesus said was of importance to him.

204 posted on 04/30/2010 5:06:18 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: metmom

VERY WELL PUT.


340 posted on 04/30/2010 8:53:51 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: metmom; johngrace; Quix; stfassisi; Judith Anne; markomalley
Catholics believe Scripture to be the inspired Word of God, written by the Holy Spirit through the hands of men. They are obviously a Biblical religion but they also believe the Church was entrusted to Peter, "You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt 16: 13-19), and Biblical interpretation was entrusted to the Pope also. You no doubt believe parts of Luther's "Solo Scriptura, Faith Alone" theology and parts of Calvin's extreme predestination (which contradict each other) philosophy, but probably not all of it. Even Lutherans and "Reformed" don't buy much of it anymore. In effect, you are your own pope, sharing some beliefs with other Protestants (and unwittingly even with Catholics!) but not all. Like a holocaust denier, you deny the "holiness" of Catholic saints—who gave not money but their lives, "There is no greater love than this ..." (John 15:13) to others for Christ, "Whatsoever you did to the least of my brothers, that you did for me" (Matt 25: 31-46).

To deny Catholicism is to deny Scripture, deny history, deny Christ; and in doing so make the Bible into a book that ultimately only you can interpret INFALLIBLY…
1,969 posted on 05/05/2010 7:33:37 AM PDT by fightingirishthomas (O, Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee ...)
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