Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix
Strawman #1: “Why does Paul ask people to pray for him? Doesn’t he think he can take his own requests to God?”
I thought Romeians didn’t care for Paul. Didn’t they say that they think he is insane and should be put in a straight jacket and locked in a padded cell?
Ridiculous. The HS said through John, He must increase and I must decrease. John 3:30
1) We are all blessed. Jesus said so in the Sermon on the Mount. Why don’t we pray to each other and venerate each other?
2) We don’t need her. God didn’t need her. Any woman who was a virgin of the house and lineage of David would have done.
3) The nature of the Son does not make any difference to the nature of the mother.
4) Jesus honored His birth mother as we should honor our own birth mothers. She’s not anyone’s mother but those to whom she gave physical birth, Jesus and His siblings.
“Does not this make her worthy of our honor? “
Honor? Yes. But you can honor someone without venerating them to the point of worship and praying to them, which are unscriptural because such actions are reserved for God alone.
“Ask the person who tells you otherwise to show in Scripture where it says not to honor her. “
Show us in Scripture where is SAYS to honor her.
Haha! Yeah I heard this is exactly how the famous Romeble they are always quoting from was created.
Amen Amen!
Well, dontcha know, it’s a matter of interpreting Paul correctly.
That means, if it supports RC doctrine, then Paul’s OK. If it doesn’t, bring out the straight jacket.
So, is the Church wrong? Should we call priests “Father”? Perhaps Saint Paul can help us here. In his first letter to the Corinthians, he says:
“I am writing you this not to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children. Even if you should have countless guides to Christ, yet you do not have many fathers, for I became your FATHER in Christ Jesus through the gospel. Therefore, I urge you, be imitators of me.” (1Cor 4:14-16)
Be imitators of him? But he calls himself Father Paul! In fact, he goes on in verse 17 to say:
“For this reason I am sending you Timothy, who is my beloved and faithful son in the Lord; he will remind you of my ways in Christ, just as I teach them everywhere in every church.” (1Cor 4:17)
His son? Is this just Saint Paul being difficult to understand? Well, he refers to Saints Timothy and Titus as his true children (1Tim 1:2 and Tit 1:4) and even refers to one individual as “my child Onesimus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment.” (Philemon 10). Seems pretty clear he is referring to himself as a FATHER.
Seriously. I actually had to see a doctor.
lol, Father Flapdoodle has left the parish
“Back atcha’ ... “Not THAT old canard again ...””
LOL. If a person doesn’t like hearing Biblical truth, then maybe they should just drop the pretense of being Christian. Maybe something like Maryian or Romeian would suffice.
Are you telling me that the RC misinterpretation of that verse by Paul supersedes the teaching of Jesus Himself that we are to call no man *Father*.
Matthew 23: 1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5"Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'
8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
If you keep My commandments you will abide in My love, AS I HAVE ALSO KEPT MY FATHER’S COMMANDMENTS, AND ABIDE IN HIS LOVE.”, John 15:10.
Now what about ‘honor thy father and thy mother’? Don’t you think He kept that one too? There is certainly ample Scriptural evidence to show that He honored His Father, and there is evidence that He honored His mother as well. In fact, He, GOD Himself, must have obeyed His mother’s, everyday living, ‘mother to child’ commands as He was growing up. This is shown in Luke 2:51, “And He went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was SUBJECT to them.” That is a very profound verse if you think about it. In effect it says, that for many years, the ‘Creator of the Universe’ obeyed the commands of a little Jewish girl, by the name of...Mary. Jesus also acted on her suggestion that the wedding guests were out of wine at Cana, by performing His first public miracle when He turned water into wine in John 2:1-5. Jesus Christ therefore kept the commandment ‘honor thy mother’, as well. If Jesus Christ honored His mother, can we do less? Jesus Christ loves His mother like any good son would. He will defend her from all attacks against her. If you have not honored Mary, what will you tell her Son after you have taken your last breath, and when you meet Him face to face, and He asks you why? Remember, at that point in time, the ‘GOD of Mercy’ becomes the ‘GOD of Justice’. Then it is too late to correct the injustice done to the Mother of GOD. St. Louis Marie Grignion de Montfort said it best in his book ‘True Devotion to Mary’, “Let no one presume to hope for the mercy of GOD, who dares to slight or offend GOD’s mother.”
Got some Scripture to back that up?
Wow! Yer the best, thanks.
It’s true. Catholics need to become Marions and, Mormons , Smithians, drop the pretense of being Christians.
“Do you attract any Christians to your faith via the way you speak?”
Christians are already in the faith of Christ, so I can’t understand your thinking here.
However, I bet you would not believe how many Christians Quix and other Christians attract by speaking Biblical truth.
I for one LOVE hearing the Truth.
We are going to stand before the God who proclaimed at the first, that He is a jealous God, one who gave us a manual to live by so that we are without excuse.
If “sola scriptura” was mentioned in Scripture you would have a point, but “sola scriptura” is actually a 16th century man-made invention.
Additionally, the Church has NEVER suggested that the mother of God is a goddess.
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