Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix
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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this: Our Father in heaven, --New Living Translation 7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.] 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. 9Pray, therefore, like this: 15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses. --Amplified Pray with Simplicity 5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat? 6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace. 7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this: 16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well. |
Mark Kirby: O Mother of Good Counsel, I am all thine, Most Holy Mary, There is no part of my life that is not open to thee, I want to be completely transparent with thee, Praying in this way, I can be at rest, |
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Catholics are the flame, silly. BTW, that is just an outstanding bit of Malta history on your page.
.Malta. Not for the faint of heart.
Yeah. I see that sort of thing practically every day.
But from whence did Quix derive this list of titles? Certainly not from Catholics, I daresay! And on what basis does he associate them with Mary? Catholic thought makes none of the associations that have been alleged from certain quarters round about here.
As to whether Mary is the "Mother of God": OF COURSE SHE IS. Nobody disputes that, from the simple facts pertaining to any human birth.
At this point, please reflect that Jesus Christ is at once, simultaneously "Perfect God" (the Father's only begotten, deeply beloved Son) and "perfect human" (a truly sinless man). This is the mystery of the Incarnation: Jesus has (note the present tense) a divine Father (whose will was implemented by the Holy Spirit, as conveyed to Mary, and as most humbly and graciously accepted by her — "I am the handmaid of the Lord: Be it done unto me according to Thy Word") and a human mother (Mary herself).
All I can say to skeptical Protties is this: Mary is NOT in any way, shape or form "at war" with her own dearly, deeply beloved Son.
You can believe me or not. That's up to you.
God bless you, dear 1000silverings!
PAX CHRISTI
Oh St. Jerome did that for us.
Who says that Catholics oppose Christ? I love Him above all other loves, He is the Risen Son of Almighy God, my Lord and Savior.
My pastor had a homily about this on the weekend. He wanted to give a talk about the May Crowning in our parish. Being a young guy and internet ready, he put “coronation Mary” into a search. Needless to say, he found the hate sites.
He then said that Mary and Jesus don’t have the egos that they are tiffing up in heaven. Mary doesn’t go to Jesus bragging about May Crowning. There is no one upsmanship from the two of them. She does in heaven what she did on Earth. She adores Him for His love. Even His love for her.
I see you spend a large portion of your day again posting anti Catholic bigotry -What a shame and waste of time!
Do you want me to keep a list of my activities for ya?
Today I did water aerobics , worked out at the gym, did 2 hours of gardening, did some bible study and monitored a forum that I belong to, talked to a daughter in law , made dinner..cleaned up talked to a friend on the phone... and in between I posted here..
I will have a more detailed diary for you tomorrow.
It happens I have followed several of the last people that have been declared "blessed" .. and Pio was one ..
Do you know what the gospel is?
You ought to consider that some of us are not going to take it laying down when we are told that we are a special kind of heretic for leaving the Catholic Church and will be guaranteeing ourselves a place in hell for that.
And I’ve been told that not only by some FRoman Catholics just in the last couple months, but have been told that by Catholics I worked with.
It is not normal Roman Catholic mentality to consider those outside the Roman Catholic Church as brethren. There is a greater level of tolerance for those of more Orthodox persuasion. They are more the ones I’ve heard referred to as separated.
But Protestants? Not so much. Matter of fact, rarely.
A moment in time. That is a good question, Sister Alamo, that jumps at us in the question of "Give your all to...?"
Is what we spend our time doing an indication of what we hold in highest regard?
At what point do our explanations of why we spend time the way we do become excuses for not spending more time with God?
At what amount of time should we be concerned that we truly do not have God as the One to whom we "Give our all...?"
But what some don't get is that for us the language of devotion is different from the language of theology. We routinely call Dominic all sorts of ridiculous things. There's an "antiphon" which I say nightly before I go to bed in which I call him, "lumen ecclesiae" - "light of the Church." Dominic knows, Jesus knows, and I know that I think and confess that Jesus is the true light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world, and is certainly the light of the Church.
So the extravagant praises we heap on Dominic and Mary and others simply cannot be thought of as simple "theology." Te writers of these hymns, in one of the most beautiful of which (and which I also sing before I sing the O Lumen) we call Mary "our hope," would laugh if someone were to have asked them, "Don't you think Jesus is your hope?"
WE think that because we live after the resurrection when all things were remade, hope and light and a host of other gifts are found in the most unexpected places, and we are happy to sing about it.
This, by the way, is a most unjust trial in which there is insufficient due process. The "offenses"are listed, but after the manner of all dictatorships, the burden of figuring out which law they violate and how is left to the defense. Before I'm done this may be a very long defense.
Instead of addressing each instance of title of Queen of this or that, I will make a general defense.
(1)TO us, and we know you disagree, Mary is pre-eminent among the saints AND
(2)"now" enjoys to a preeminent degree what all the redeemed "will" enjoy at the last day (and thereafter.)
We think that any coherent idea of God implies that He is outside of time, and that therefore those who are 'with God' also bear a relationship to time that is not like ours.
We are all destined to be kings and priests of God. Mary currently enjoys royal status because of (2) above.
She is dispenser of all graces because in giving birth she, so to speak, 'dispensed' Jesus, who is the sum of all Graces. This title is just a meditation on her being the mother of Jesus.
"4-" Her power as mediatrix" is simply her enjoyment of the communion with Jesus and the Trinity which all the redeemed are promised. Because of (1) She enjoys it to a great degree, but it is not different in kind from the power of mediation which all Christians enjoy.
"5-" Her assistance is nothing more than the exercise of this wonderful communion.
"6-" She is "ruler of Hell" because she is, as it were (within the metaphor) Queen Mother. Outside of the metaphor, she is ruler of Hell because Jesus has conquered Hell and despoiled it, and she enjoys perfect communion with Jesus.
The Richard of saint Victor quote, which catches me up short to begin with, also depends, I'd wager, on the notion of communion.
Note: You all think that WE think and teach that Mary has some power over Jesus. But the gift she enjoys is the perfect union with Jesus promised to us. She wills what He wills, and does not will what He does not will.
It is important to understand that we have the highest possible expectations of God's gifts in heaven.
"p37" Just as Jesus the King came through Mary, so also His Kingdom can be said, loosely, toe come through her. it is still His kingdom.
"p41" Mary is the tree of life (which in the Bible is a creature, not the creator) because the fruit of her womb is Jesus, who is Life.
"p43" I don't see what there is to object to here. Spare me the shocked looks and gasps. Does anyone think she is NOT beloved of the Father, nor His daughter? Does anyone think she does not bear the relationship to Jesus, the Divine Son, the relationship which every mother bears to her son? I don't much like the "spouse" language, but Gabriel said the Spirit would overshadow Mary and that as a result that which was born of her would be called Holy. So in some sense Spouse is an okay image.
As to complement, it is for Love of us that God did all this. It is for love that He who needs nothing, gave everything to gain the redeemed. And it is the Love He gives us the grace to return to Him which calls us all to be "complement," as even St Paul says that he makes up what is lacking. Col 1:24)
"p45" Mary's vanquishing sin is called a "grace" here because it was, we hold, given to her through Christ and as a result of His vanquishing sin. We have said this again and again and again. Mary does nothing on her own.
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"7"If we had not said repeatedly that Mary does nothing on her own and that her sinlessness is the result of the saving act of God in Christ, the crack about Jesus' work being unnecessary would not be a cheap shot. Personally I do not think displaying my inability to hear what is said to me is something to swagger and brag about.
"9" Similarly with the useless and jejune crack about Mary's being raised above the Holy Spirit.
If those who disagree with us insist on disagreeing not with us but with something we do not say -- or not acknowledging what we say repeatedly, then they are not disagreeing with us, but they are fighting phantoms on their own minds.
"p47" Similarly here.
Our antagonists have a double standard. They will say, "I am a psychologist. I teach here. I do this and that." But what they SHOULD say, if they applied the same standard to themselves that they apply to us, is,"God has given me the grace and health and life and industry and wit and every other gift I need to be a psychologist. It is only by His gift and His continual sustaining care that I can teach or do this and that." And if we were to argue as some do, every time one of you failed to say that we would accuse you of pride and idolatry.
So all the others in this post meet the same objection or one very similar.
The reason, Dear Quix, that no one answered these is that for those who care to understand us, whether or not they agree, the answers are obvious. In fact they are so obvious that if the question needs to be asked, the chances are very good that the answer will not be heard.
I already resent the time I spent on this. I feel as if I allowed myself to be manipulated and controlled. I do not see how these alleged questions could really be about gaining information or understanding.
For some reason, my 10-year-old is a natural at it. (sure didn’t get it from her mother).
Her dream is to play in the Nativity Play next year. She practices a lot!
<++++But from whence did Quix derive this list of titles? Certainly not from Catholics, I daresay! And on what basis does he associate them with Mary? Catholic thought makes none of the associations that have been alleged from certain quarters round about here.+++++
How foolish to accuse someone of lying like that
Below is a portion of the Litany of Loreto, which outlines the various names and titles of our Holy Mother
Holy Mary, pray for us.
Holy Mother of God,
Holy Virgin of virgins,
Mother of Christ,
Mother of the Church,
Mother of divine grace,
Mother most pure,
Mother most chaste,
Mother inviolate,
Mother undefiled,
Mother most amiable,
Mother most admirable,
Mother of good counsel,
Mother of our Creator,
Mother of our Savior,
Virgin most prudent,
Virgin most venerable,
Virgin most renowned,
Virgin most powerful,
Virgin most merciful,
Virgin most faithful,
Mirror of justice,
Seat of wisdom,
Cause of our joy,
Spiritual vessel,
Vessel of honor,
Singular vessel of devotion,
Mystical rose,
Tower of David,
Tower of ivory,
House of gold,
Ark of the covenant,
Gate of heaven,
Morning star,
Health of the sick,
Refuge of sinners,
Comforter of the afflicted,
Help of Christians,
Queen of angels,
Queen of patriarchs,
Queen of prophets,
Queen of apostles,
Queen of martyrs,
Queen of confessors,
Queen of virgins,
Queen of all saints,
Queen conceived without original sin,
Queen assumed into heaven,
Queen of the most holy Rosary,
Queen of families
Queen of peace.
http://www.ourladyweb.com/mary-titles.html
Adam’s Deliverance
Advocate of Eve
Advocate of Sinners
All Chaste
All Fair and Immaculate
All Good
Aqueduct of Grace
Ark Gilded by the Holy Spirit
Ark of the Covenant
Blessed Among Women
Blessed Virgin Mary
Bridal Chamber of the Lord
Bride of Christ
Bride of Heaven
Bride of the Canticle
Bride of the Father
Cause of Our Joy
Chosen Before the Ages
Comfort of Christians
Comforter of the Afflicted
Consoler of the Afflicted
Co-Redemptrix
Court of the Eternal King
Created Temple of the Creator
Crown of Virginity
Daughter of Men
David’s Daughter
Deliverer From All Wrath
Deliverer of Christian Nations
Destroyer of Heresies
Dispenser of Grace
Dwelling Place for God
Dwelling Place of the Spirit
Earth Unsown
Earth Untouched and Virginal
Eastern Gate
Ever Green and Fruitful
Ever Virgin
Exalted Above the Angels
Fleece of Heavenly Rain
Flower of Carmel
Flower of Jesse’s Root
Formed Without Sin
Forthbringer of God
Forthbringer of the Ancient of Days
Forthbringer of the Tree of Life
http://www.crossroadsinitiative.com/library_article/1069/Many_Titles_of_Mary___Meredith_Gould.html
Mary, Mediatrix of All Graces
THERE YA GO AGIN’
Asking that
THAT PERSPECTIVE
be rational, grounded, factual, logical.
It’s against their !RELIGION!
And you ought to consider that I said nothing of the kind.
And backatcha with sprinkles for calling us idolaters and the rest.
Distinguo: Somebody saying that YOU might end up in Hell is not the same as saying that all the Separated Brethren or all apostates will end up in Hell.
It is not normal Roman Catholic mentality to consider those outside the Roman Catholic Church as brethren.
Once again you confuse your experience of Catholics to be perfectly representative of Catholics everywhere. This is bad reasoning.
It also contradicts my experience. I have NEVER EVER been told that I would go to hell for being a Protestant and I spent a lot of my clerical career working with Catholics on a number of matters.
Is Mary, as the mother of God, superior to God? Superior to Christ? That does appear to be what some Catholics are proclaiming, leading to her being the queen of Heaven, the first-born of every creature, the spouse of the Holy Spirit and the Advocate between Christ and mankind.
the problem is, these titles are not biblical, they are vanities of men
Furthermore, we have to see Catholics, on this board, refute that Mary is the personal saviorette of mankind or the Christians who post here, cannot take you seriously as fellow Christians.
Glad to see that you frequent Catholic sites. I pray that you keep learning.
Where are you as an RN on the subject of abortion. I’ve never asked you before or else read about your views on this subject on threads.
There is a certain armature that one needs to play it.. My son loved it..Good for your kids playing an instrument (especially a french horn:)
It is such a great skill ..My son is an engineer and one of his professors commented on the number of engineering students that played instruments ..There is a definite math connection with music
I am on wags moral ping list.. :)
I am the mother of 7....so very pro life as are most conservatives I guess.
But mine is not a political view.. it is a spiritual one.. The Lord gives and the Lord takes away..blessed be the name of the Lord..
Also..LOL I am on the other end of the life line and they will be wanted to get rid of OLD me soon enough :)
Once again you confuse your experience of Catholics to be perfectly representative of Catholics everywhere.
Why would you not expect me to? It was pretty pervasive. It was the way I was taught and thought. It was the way my Catholic relatives (the ones that included the priests and nuns) thought and taught. It was the way the Catholics I went to school with and worked with taught and thought.
And they didn't all go to the same parish. There were several different parishes represented in those groups of people.
This is bad reasoning.
Not when it's what you experience for decades. It would be bad reasoning to presume that not all Catholics thought that way when I didn't have any Catholics give me any reason to think differently.
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