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Give Your All To . . . ? . . . . [A Rel Forum Research thread--Open]
Bible, Vultus Christi, Quix's noggin ^ | 28 APR 2010; 30 APR 2010 | Jesus, Mark Kirby & Quix

Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix

GIVE IT ALL TO . . . ? . . . .

--A Research Thread--

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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this:

Our Father in heaven,
may your name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come soon.
May your will be done on earth,
as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today the food we need,[a]
12 and forgive us our sins,
as we have forgiven those who sin against us.
13 And don’t let us yield to temptation,[b]
but rescue us from the evil one.[c]

--New Living Translation

7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.]

8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

9Pray, therefore, like this:

Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed (kept holy) be Your name.
10Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven ([e]left, remitted, and let go of the debts, and have [f]given up resentment against) our debtors.
13And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

14For if you forgive people their trespasses [their [g]reckless and willful sins, [h]leaving them, letting them go, and [i]giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses.

--Amplified

Pray with Simplicity

5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat?

6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace.

7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:

Our Father in heaven,
Reveal who you are.
Set the world right;
Do what's best— as above, so below.
Keep us alive with three square meals.
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil.
You're in charge!
You can do anything you want!
You're ablaze in beauty!
Yes. Yes. Yes.

14-15"In prayer there is a connection between what God does and what you do. You can't get forgiveness from God, for instance, without also forgiving others. If you refuse to do your part, you cut yourself off from God's part.

16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well.
--THE MESSAGE

Mark Kirby:

O Mother of Good Counsel,
Mother of Perpetual Help,
I turn with confidence to thy maternal Heart,
and I renew my total and irrevocable consecration to thee.

I am all thine, Most Holy Mary,
and all that I have is thine.
I give thee my past with its burdens.
I give thee this present moment with its anxieties and fears.
I give thee my future and all that it holds.

There is no part of my life that is not open to thee,
no place so secret, or so darkened by sin
that thy presence and thy influence
are not wholly and ardently desired there.

I want to be completely transparent with thee,
utterly simple, guileless, and childlike.
Thou knowest, O Mother,
all my preoccupations,
all my intentions,
and all those recommended to my prayer.
Take them, I beseech thee, to thy Immaculate Heart
and, as my Advocate, my all-powerful intercessor, and my Mediatrix,
present them to thy Son.
Seeing them presented by thee
and held in thy maternal Heart,
there is nothing that He will not do
to give to each intention the one response
worthy of the infinite mercy and love of His Sacred Heart.

Praying in this way, I can be at rest,
for thou art my Mother,
and all that I entrust to thee will be,
I am sure,
received, and considered, and cared for
with a Mother's love.
Amen.

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TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholicbashing; exclusivity; focus; holiness; marybashing; worship
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To: wagglebee; netmilsmom

Has anyone here, of the protestants, ever been open about what church they attend? Very very few; for instance, the loudest proddie around has not mentioned what church belief s/he follows. We know a few have, but they hide it as though it were a sinful secret.

Are they ashamed of their churches? Do they not want us to know what they believe? Is it a gotcha game, where they can demand we justify our beliefs, falsify them, misinterpret them, and ridicule them, but we don’t get to know theirs, because they’re afraid (WITH GOOD REASON!) that they will have do defend their own churches?

Fascinating. Why are Catholics always up against the wall with a blindfold and a cigarette, while they have target practice?

That can go two ways....


1,281 posted on 05/03/2010 1:49:39 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
With six of nine U.S. Supreme Court justices being Roman Catholic and with Ratzinger issuing his "global authority" encyclical to all the world, it's important to identify the lies Rome teaches and how to combat them by the word of God.

This is a political/religion forum, after all. And as we've learned from these many many threads, Rome is all politics, all the time.

See now: the quick jump to Supreme Court justices shows how moving to the political still colors the Reformed world Catholic!

My point exactly! Forward or back, side to side, religion or politics - All the Reformed seem to see, behind every bush and tree...are Catholics!

1,282 posted on 05/03/2010 1:50:26 PM PDT by Lorica
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To: Judith Anne

I normally assume that NOT EVERYONE will wrap their minds around the breadth of my pontifications.


1,283 posted on 05/03/2010 1:50:48 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: wagglebee
DR.E: Mary knew it, too. Sinner that she was, she was saved exactly the same way you and I have been saved -- by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

WAGGLEBEE: Nobody has ever suggested otherwise.

lol. Well, there are suggestions and then there are suggestions.

The RCC tells us Mary was born sinless, and lived sinless and died sinless and was assumed into heaven bodily because of her sinless nature.

All of which contradicts Scripture and deifies the creature and confers on her the status belonging to the Creator alone.

Repent.

1,284 posted on 05/03/2010 1:51:23 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: wmfights

Confession and denial is as an action as a statement. Do you dispute what our Lord said in Matthew 25:31-46? (By the way, those verses are from Matthew 10, not 5.)


1,285 posted on 05/03/2010 1:53:01 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: boatbums

INDEED.

THX.


1,286 posted on 05/03/2010 1:53:27 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Judith Anne

Sinful secret? Everybody is open about their church. Who isn’t?


1,287 posted on 05/03/2010 1:53:33 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

LOL.


1,288 posted on 05/03/2010 1:55:00 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Lorica; netmilsmom; Mad Dawg; narses; Dr. Brian Kopp

The Catholic Church has NEVER suggested that the Blessed Virgin Mary did not need a Savior, NEVER.


1,289 posted on 05/03/2010 1:55:22 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Judith Anne

I don’t see Catholics wanting to risk compromising their screen names by naming the particular Roman Catholic Church they attend.

Besides, the denomination is irrelevant if it preaches the Gospel as presented in the Bible.

For many Protestant churches, the differences are not much more than differences in music style, not differences in actual theology about who Christ is and that salvation is through faith alone in Him alone.

I’ve had Baptists warn me about the dangers of Pentecostalism, and yet theology about the gifts of the Spirit aside, there’s no other differences in what they believe.


1,290 posted on 05/03/2010 1:56:17 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Lorica
When and if the balance of truth is ever restored to this country, we will all rejoice. Until then, we are left to dodge the errors of Rome as God continues to reveal the truth to us by the Holy Spirit through the word of God for His glory and the welfare of His saints.

"The Reformation is dying daily in our day when the Ecumenical Movement, and other forces like unto it, wish to soften the antithesis with Rome, today. I want to assure you that it's not my pugnacious debating nature that makes me say we must exalt that antithesis and guard it. It's my love for the Lord Jesus Christ and the purity of His word.

"Rome has not essentially changed. Rome declared that what it said at the time of the Reformation was infallible and could not change. Declared it to be irreformible truth. Rome has not changed and precious truths of God's word are still worth upholding even at the cost of unity even at the cost of being considered "troublemakers" in the religious world. We need to guard the antithesis against the destructive error of Rome." -- Dr. Greg L. Bahnsen, THE REFORMATION, October 28, 1990.


1,291 posted on 05/03/2010 1:56:48 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: wagglebee

lol. The RCC talks out of both sides of its mouth. Continually. And there will always be those who only see one lip moving.


1,292 posted on 05/03/2010 1:57:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Judith Anne; netmilsmom; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7

In all fairness, Dr. E is very open about being a member of the OPC and RNMom is a member of the PCA.


1,293 posted on 05/03/2010 1:57:50 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: netmilsmom

How can you concentrate on the passion of Christ and say the prayer thoughtfully ? Or do you just say the Hail Mary as a repetitive grayer when you contemplate the passion of Christ? Or do you sorta contemplate the Passion while you concentrate on the hail Mary’s?


1,294 posted on 05/03/2010 1:58:25 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

A billion or more people understand what the Church teaches, it’s not the Church’s fault if you don’t.


1,295 posted on 05/03/2010 1:59:03 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: netmilsmom

THERE’S A LOT of Roman Catholics et al hereon who seem to be boundary workers between the normal RC population and the rabid clique groups.

Sometimes they sound like rabid clique folks

and much of the time they sound rational and reasonably grounded in reality and Scripture.


1,296 posted on 05/03/2010 1:59:05 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Judith Anne

There are SOME card carrying members around alright.


1,297 posted on 05/03/2010 2:00:00 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: wagglebee; RnMomof7; Judith Anne
Thanks, Wagglebee. Every Protestant on these threads that I've spoken with has told us their church affiliation. Many Baptists, several Presbyterians, a few Pentecostals, a few Lutherans.

In fact, I can't think of anyone who hasn't told us of their church membership. It's not something we hide.

1,298 posted on 05/03/2010 2:01:19 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: metmom

Well, not much in that long list got denied.

It’s a Catch 22 for them.

If they admit to it, then it proves our point.

If they deny it, then they are at odds with the Church which has condoned it.

= = =

I guess so.

Interesting.


1,299 posted on 05/03/2010 2:01:53 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: wagglebee
You're right and then there were a series of Church councils which addressed the various heresies.

But isn't that the beauty of Christianity, the desire to be in a right relationship with our LORD and Savior without a central authority saying you have to. If you're referencing the councils called by Constantine and later I would disagree. I'm assuming you're referencing the Jerusalem Council.

Mormonism is growing at an incredible rate, rate of growth does not necessarily equal truth.

They have to they're bleeding members just as fast. They really aren't growing. When people realize they aren't Christian the luster disappears and they leave. The initial draw isn't their faith, it's the decent lives they live.

1,300 posted on 05/03/2010 2:01:58 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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