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Wisconsin's Catholic child abuse anguish
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| 26 March 2010
| Matthew Price
Posted on 03/27/2010 3:29:23 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Campion
Conservatives are people who believe in capitalism, limited government, the rule of law, and "natural rights" -- that is, that people have certain human rights by virtue of their nature as human beings, not because some external human entity decides to recognize them. OK, so we agree. What natural rights principle does Robert George use to demand that the government restrict the free association of homosexuals?
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posted on
03/27/2010 4:39:35 PM PDT
by
the_conscience
(We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
To: Campion
So if I started talking about "Presbyterian adultery camps," and you inquired what I meant, and I responded, "Wherever ministers are seducing married women from the congregation," you would consider that a satisfactory answer? It would be if the evidence was that it had a long history and was widespread like the abusive priests phenomenon.
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posted on
03/27/2010 4:44:21 PM PDT
by
the_conscience
(We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
To: the_conscience
What natural rights principle does Robert George use to demand that the government restrict the free association of homosexuals? What, exactly, are you talking about?
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posted on
03/27/2010 4:44:30 PM PDT
by
Campion
("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
To: the_conscience
Adultery certainly has a long history. If you google "adultery among male protestant ministers," you'll find a number of sources saying that about 30% of male ministers have had extramarital affairs. The number of abusive priests is somewhere between 1% and 4%.
Nevertheless, I think talking about "Presbyterian adultery camps" would be way out of line.
Which is why I don't do it.
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posted on
03/27/2010 4:50:48 PM PDT
by
Campion
("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
To: Gamecock; Campion; narses
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posted on
03/27/2010 4:57:08 PM PDT
by
Deo volente
(There is no tagline sufficient to describe the atrocity we're witnessing right now.)
To: Running On Empty
My response is that I don’t buy into the Jesus meek and mild caricature. The truth always divides and Jesus warned it would happen and it wouldn’t be pretty. Your “iron sharpens iron” response is vague and ambiguous.
The evidence clearly points to a coverup by the Pope and the Vatican and other officials. Ignoring that for some putative unity is dangerous and harmful. Clearly, Romanists are reluctant to admit this because it destroys the very foundation of their religion. It is not love to sugar-coat this problem. To expose this sin in it’s starkest terms which could lead to repentance is love.
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posted on
03/27/2010 4:57:33 PM PDT
by
the_conscience
(We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
To: Campion
See the Manhattan Declaration.
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posted on
03/27/2010 4:58:37 PM PDT
by
the_conscience
(We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
To: wmfights
By not reporting the CRIME aren't you aiding and abetting?Absolutely.
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posted on
03/27/2010 5:02:00 PM PDT
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the_conscience
(We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
To: the_conscience
The evidence clearly points to a coverup by the Pope and the Vatican and other officials. Which evidence? In what case? The Murphy case?
As the article I linked in post #100 makes crystal clear, the documents on the NY Times' own website demonstrate that, if there was any "coverup" in the Murphy case, it happened in Milwaukee, not Rome, and involved, not the Pope, but one of the worst bishops in American history ... an unchaste homosexual who was later discovered to have paid $400,000 in diocesan funds as "hush money" to his male lover.
So if you have this evidence which "clearly points" to something else, then publish it right here, because the NYT's evidence does not.
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posted on
03/27/2010 5:02:26 PM PDT
by
Campion
("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
To: the_conscience
See the Manhattan Declaration. I already did. What about it?
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posted on
03/27/2010 5:03:08 PM PDT
by
Campion
("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
To: Campion
that was because the offending priest lied to law enforcement telling them the deaf boys couldn’t have been victims because they were mentally retarted
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posted on
03/27/2010 5:06:18 PM PDT
by
marajade
(Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
To: Campion
Part of the problem with your example is that adultery happens between two consenting adults although a person in a high position could use that position to be abusive. An adult/child situation is always abusive.
And your statistics, even if correct, do not account for the damage 1 priest can cause with multiple victims.
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posted on
03/27/2010 5:26:20 PM PDT
by
the_conscience
(We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
To: Marysecretary
Catholics just dont want to hear it. Lie.
I just don't want to hear it from hyper-Calvinist Catholic haters, because their motive does not originate in Christian charity. They do not pray for the evil to be cleansed, and victims healed. They hope for the destruction of the entire Church.
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posted on
03/27/2010 5:41:42 PM PDT
by
Lorica
To: Campion
The evidence that just came out of the German case where Ratzinger was aware of the abusers crimes and the fact that he was informed that the abuser was still working in a parish.
Beyond that is the fact that the abuse is so widespread and touches every major metropolitan area and yet the Vatican acts as if it is unaware of the scope makes it unthinkable that a cover-up is not involved.
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posted on
03/27/2010 5:51:13 PM PDT
by
the_conscience
(We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
To: Campion
I think you'd have to be knowingly concealing material evidence to do that, but IANAL. I'm not either, but I dare say we both know the difference between right and wrong. We are both fathers and I think you would agree that if a crime were committed against one of our children we would want who did it in prison.
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posted on
03/27/2010 5:55:24 PM PDT
by
wmfights
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To: Campion
Abp. Weakland sat on the case for 19 years before telling Rome about it. What happens to the people that did nothing but cover it up?
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posted on
03/27/2010 5:57:54 PM PDT
by
wmfights
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To: Deo volente
Dig them out, turn them in and put them in prison.
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posted on
03/27/2010 6:00:33 PM PDT
by
wmfights
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To: the_conscience
Absolutely. We are on the same page. Any church that hides these crimes from the police deserves to be prosecuted.
I agree that these type of accusations were used against the Branch Dividians and could be used against churches in general, but being in a church doesn't mean protections of minors are checked at the door.
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03/27/2010 6:06:05 PM PDT
by
wmfights
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To: wmfights
The problem is, as we can see here, the parishioners are complicit in the cover up.
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posted on
03/27/2010 6:30:04 PM PDT
by
the_conscience
(We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
To: the_conscience
You're wandering way off in the weeds now.
I wasn't attempting to draw some sort of moral equivalency between adultery and abuse of a child. I was attempting to point out to you how offensive and inaccurate the term "Romanist pedophile camp" is.
Since you've made it clear that you have no actual knowledge of any such "camps," I'll rest my case.
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posted on
03/27/2010 7:05:26 PM PDT
by
Campion
("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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