What is the definition of 'anti-Mormon'? - Anti-Mormon Caucus (Just Kidding)

Mormon Times ^ | March 5, 2010 | By McKay Coppins

[greyfoxx39]

What is the definition of 'anti-Mormon'?

 

I have often heard the criticism that Latter-day Saints classify everyone who disagrees with our beliefs as "anti-Mormon." Of course, the people who say this are usually anti-Mormons. Am I proving their point? I don't think so.

I actually agree that this is a problem in our church. After all, our belief system, if firmly embraced, demands a lot of personal sacrifice, and we often become hyper-defensive when we sense a threat to our faith.

Unfortunately, this often leads to irrational name-calling and blindly neglecting to differentiate between non-Mormons and anti-Mormons.

Of course, that's not to say anti-Mormons don't exist, or that it's unimportant to identify them. We just need to properly define the term.

First of all, we shouldn't call people who simply don't believe in Mormonism "anti-Mormons." We should call them Catholics or Baptists or Muslims or atheists. People who ascribe themselves to faiths or philosophies that contradict Mormonism should not automatically be seen as antagonists. They should be credited with having their own beliefs.

Now, what about people who try to convert Latter-day Saints to their belief systems? Are they anti-Mormons?

No.

The believing Baptist who testifies of his church's doctrine to a Latter-day Saint is trying to do something he believes is constructive. Even if he attempts to point out supposed flaws in Mormon doctrine, if his genuine intent is to save a soul and he maintains a polite, rational tone, I don't think he deserves the anti-Mormon label. After all, should Mormon missionaries be considered anti-Catholics or anti-Protestants?

The line, I believe, that separates non-Mormons from anti-Mormons is motivation. Anti-Mormons are people who put down Mormon beliefs, practices and people simply for the sake of destroying their faith. Not many anti-Mormons would admit that is their primary goal, of course, but that doesn't mean it isn't so.

For the most part, anti-Mormons should be ignored. But before that can happen, they have to be identified

[Tennessee Nana]

Doesn’t that “my religion is right and you are damned” crap fall into the catagory of judging?
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I dont know about that...

Ask yourself, “Do I judge who may be the judge?”

Whatcha think of these ???

I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” (Joseph Smith Pearl of great Price (JS History 1:20):

“I was answered that I must join none of them (Christian churches), for they were all wrong…their creeds were an abomination in [God’s] sight; that those professors were all corrupt” (Joseph Smith—History 1:19).

Orthodox Christian views of God are pagan rather than Christian” (Mormon Doctrine of Deity, B. H. Roberts [General Authority], 116).

“All the priests who adhere to the sectarian [Christian] religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels” (The Elders Journal, Joseph Smith, ed. Vol. 1, n. 4, 60).

The Roman Catholic, Greek, and Protestant church, is the great corrupt, ecclesiastical power, represented by great Babylon” (Orson Pratt, Writings of an Apostle, Orson Pratt, n. 6, 84).

“Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls (Morm. 8; Moro. 8)” (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, Bruce R. McConkie, 177).

[reaganaut]

My favorite version is Matt Redman’s.

[WhyisaTexasgirlinPA]

We all live by what we believe are the right rules, morals, etc - My salvation is through Jesus Christ, not what Mormons or Seventh Day Adventists or even Protestant or Catholic groups may claim is the only way. So yes, I have determined who the Judge is -

[reaganaut]

My salvation is through Jesus Christ, not what Mormons or Seventh Day Adventists or even Protestant or Catholic groups may claim is the only way.

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So, why would you be opposed to telling others about who Christ REALLY is?

The LDS Christ is very different from the Christ of the Bible. I’ve been there, done that, and God rescued me from the LDS.

I want to show others that there are problems in the LDS, that it is not as benign as most people think and that there is a better way through the Jesus of the Bible, not the Jesus of the Book of Mormon.

[T Minus Four]

According to the Book of Mormon Jesus showed up in the Americas after His crucifixion. Also, according to the BoM, Jesus destroyed thousands and then bragged about as seen in the above passages.

Is there NO END to the blasphemy? Sheesh.

[T Minus Four]

I have a picture. I’ll post it soon.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Mormons call Christians “pigs”..**

SDA members call us “Pork Rinds”.

We call them “cabbage crunchers”. I live close to cruncher land. ;-)

[reaganaut]

Is there NO END to the blasphemy? Sheesh.

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Oh, don’t worry, it gets worse than that.

I will need to dig up the quote that says that Jesus was married and a sinner.

[Tennessee Nana]

So yes, I have determined who the Judge is -
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So is it alright that mormons judge Christians ???

[Tennessee Nana]

will need to dig up the quote that says that Jesus was married and a sinner.
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Here’s some...

However, LDS Apostle Orson Hyde wrote, “Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana and Galilee” (J. of D., Vol. II, p. 82).

And LDS Apostle Orson Pratt said, “If all the acts of Jesus were written, we no doubt should learn that these beloved women (Mary, Martha and Mary Magdalene) were His wives” (The Seer, p. 159).

Pratt again said, “We have also proved most clearly that the Son followed the example of His Father, and became the great Bridegroom to whom kings’ daughters and many honorable wives were to be married” (The Seer, p. 172).

The tenth LDS Prophet, Joseph Fielding Smith, was asked if Jesus was married. His answer was, “Yes! But do not preach it! The Lord advised us not to cast pearls before swine!” (from a letter dated March 17, 1963). Since eternal marriage can only be performed in LDS temples, (M.D. pp.117; 482), in what temple was Jesus married? Certainly not in the temple in Jerusalem for no marriages were ever performed in it because it was used only for sacrifices and offerings.

The above quotes show that many leading Mormons have taught that Jesus was married and even a polygamist! Some also taught that Jesus had children by those polygamous wives. For example, Orson Hyde said, “Before the Savior died, He looked upon His own natural children, as we look upon ours” (J. of D., Vol. II, p. 82)! Obviously this Mormon “Savior” is not the same Savior we read about in the Bible.

[Tennessee Nana]

will need to dig up the quote that says that Jesus was married and a sinner.
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I’m looking for the sermon by Brigham Young where he quotes Isaiah 6:1, and claims that the “train” was the wives of Jesus...

[Tennessee Nana]

something along the lines of “I dont know who they were if they werent the wives etc “ ???

[reaganaut]

Statement by Brigham Young, second prophet of the LDS church:

“The Scripture says that He, the Lord, came walking in the Temple, with “HIS TRAIN; I do not know who they were, unless his wives and children;” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13. page 309)

The one I am looking for is the one that stated that to claim Jesus was not married was to claim he was ‘too holy’ when he was really (according to the LDS quote) “just holy enough”

[Tennessee Nana]

will need to dig up the quote that says that Jesus was married and a sinner.
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In a sermon reported in the church’s Deseret News on August 6, 1862, Brigham Young stated:

Monogamy, or restrictions by law to one wife, is no part of the economy of heaven among men. Such a system was commenced by the founders of the Roman empire.... Rome became the mistress of the world, and introduced this order of monogamy wherever her sway was acknowledged. Thus this monogamic order of marriage, so esteemed by modern Christians as a holy sacrament and divine institution, is nothing but a system established by a set of robbers....

Why do we believe in and practice polygamy? Because the Lord introduced it to his servants in a revelation given to Joseph Smith, and the Lord’s servants have always practised it. “And is that religion popular in heaven?” It is the only popular religion there ... (Deseret News, August 6, 1862).

[Tennessee Nana]

The one I am looking for is the one that stated that to claim Jesus was not married was to claim he was ‘too holy’ when he was really (according to the LDS quote) “just holy enough”
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Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Dont know if I know that one...

I have seen ones about Jesus being a sinner though...

[reaganaut]

I found it:

Apostle Orson Hyde: “I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that JESUS CHRIST WAS MARRIED at Cana of Galilee, THAT MARY, MARTHA, AND OTHERS WERE HIS WIVES, AND THAT HE BEGAT CHILDREN. All I have to say in reply to that charge [that Jesus was married and had children] is this -— they worship a Savior that is too pure and holy to fulfil the commands of his Father. I worship one that is just pure and holy enough “to fulfil all righteousness;” not only the righteous law of baptism, but the still more righteous and important law “to multiply and replenish the earth.” Startle not at this ! for even the Father himself honored that law by coming down to Mary, without a natural body, and begetting a son; and if Jesus begat children, he only “did that which he had seen his father do.” (Journal of Discourses, Volume 2, page 210; brackets mine)

http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/browse.php?CISOROOT=%2FJournalOfDiscourses3

[reaganaut]

It is a different part of the same quote.

[Tennessee Nana]

Oh I just post part of that...

heres another by Hyde...righteousness mormon-style...

Apostle Orson Hyde asserted:

It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; ... no less a person than Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha, and the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the least of it.

I will venture to say that if Jesus Christ were now to pass through the most pious countries in Christendom with a train of women, such as used to follow him, ... he would be mobbed, tarred, and feathered, and rode not on an ass, but on a rail....

At this doctrine the long-faced hypocrite and the sanctimonious bigot will probably cry, blasphemy! ... Object not, therefore, too strongly against the marriage of Christ ... (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, pp.259-60).

Here’s something by another mormon..

The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based on polygamy.... A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus, and his followers. We might almost think they were “Mormons” (Jedediah M. Grant, second counselor to Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, pp.345-46).

[greyfoxx39]

“And is that religion popular in heaven?” It is the only popular religion there ...

"SNORT!"

[reaganaut]

LOL