Posted on 02/26/2010 1:08:31 AM PST by Gamecock
So I have a question about terminology.
Some of our Catholic FRiends get upset when we Prods use the term Roman Catholic, insisting that the term is derogatory, insulting, etc.
What I would like to discuss is why do Catholics complain about the term Roman Catholic, when the term is in such wide use inside of the Catholic church?
Thoughts?
No they will just change the subject.
A bit of history, I didn't read the whole thread to see if it's been put up yet:
When about the year 1580 certain English Catholics, under stress of grievous persecution, defended the lawfulness of attending Protestant services to escape the fines imposed on recusants, the Jesuit Father Persons published, under the pseudonym of Howlet, a clear exposition of the "Reasons why Catholiques refuse to goe to Church". This was answered in 1801 by a writer of Puritan sympathies, Percival Wiburn, who in his "Checke or Reproofe of M. Howlet" uses the term "Roman Catholic" repeatedly. For example he speaks of "you Romane Catholickes that sue for tolleration" (p. 140) and of the "parlous dilemma or streight which you Romane Catholickes are brought into" (p. 44). Again Robert Crowley, another Anglican controversialist, in his book called "A Deliberat Answere", printed in 1588, though adopting by preference the forms "Romish Catholike" or "Popish Catholike", also writes of those "who wander with the Romane Catholiques in the uncertayne hypathes ofPopish devises" (p. 86). A study of these and other early examples in their context shows plainly enough that the qualification "Romish Catholic" or "Roman Catholic" was introduced by Protestant divines who highly resented the Roman claim to any monopoly of the term Catholic.
Judith Anne, I’m just pinging you so you can see PWT’s response here to my simple questions and irrefutable points:
“I only discuss matters with respondents who show at least a modicum of desire to address historical issues with a concern for truth and intellectual honesty. I have no desire to play your silly games. Have a nice day.”
Judith Anne, Poe White Trash apparently doesn’t know the difference between impeccability and infallibility.
And note Judith, he can’t apparently offer a response to this:
he wrote: “Since I am not a modern Lutheran, I am not qualified to answer your question.”
I wrote: Okay, let’s try this: In the Augsburg Confession, section 11, Lutherans declared a belief in private absoultion after confession to their Lutheran ministers. How common is that today among Lutherans? Do you confess to a Lutheran minister? If a Lutheran doesn’t do that, isn’t he modern compared to the early Lutherans?
It’s just that easy.
I saw it. Are you surprised? I’m not.
No, I’m not surprised. Same old, same old.
What always get me is how easily stumped they are yet that never seems to slow the steady flow of anti-Catholic nonsense. You would think that people would have conscience enough to wonder why they believe it right to attack the Church when they can’t even defend their own.
The original question of the thread has been answered. What is the purpose of continuing? In appearance, at least, it is not “ecumenical.”
You’re right - and I have to be careful because as a Catholic, when I ask hard questions, I get heat from the Mod.
As far as the Religion Moderator goes, I have to come down on his/her side. I am certain it is very difficult to moderator the religion forum, and I recall clearly one prod poster asking if the RM was a priest.
Although I’m not perfect at it, I do try to comply with the RM’s wishes. The Religion Forum has some rules that are specific to it, that are different from other FR forums, and for most of those rules, I’m grateful, even though I’ve had posts removed, and once was told to get off a thread. I think the RM is fairly even-handed. Better this than the old wild west days when anything was okay.
If it’s this difficult being a poster here, imagine how difficult it must be to be a mod. Hopefully, everyone will eventually see the light and do their best to play nice.
*sigh*
But I do understand your frustration. What happens, happens.
You wrote:
“I am certain it is very difficult to moderator the religion forum, and I recall clearly one prod poster asking if the RM was a priest.”
YOU’RE KIDDING!!! That’s hilarious.
“I think the RM is fairly even-handed. Better this than the old wild west days when anything was okay.”
True. I think the Mods are okay. Not great, but okay.
“If it’s this difficult being a poster here, imagine how difficult it must be to be a mod. Hopefully, everyone will eventually see the light and do their best to play nice.”
We can always hope!
No it is not canonical, but it is remarkable for containing the first usage of the word “catholic”. As anyone can see from it, it did not describe any kind of universal community of every believer, quite the opposite. When someone repeats the words of the Creed, “I believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church” it is the Catholic Church headed up in Rome that he is talking about. Or he has been lied to.
Because you have added to it with the traditions of men and MOPIOS, Magisterium’s own interpretation of scripture. THEY EXPECT YOU TO BLINDLY FOLLOW WHERE THEY LEAD.
WOW, WHEN DID THEY HAVE TIME TO ATTEND TO CHURCH AFFAIRS? OH, THOSE WERE CHURCH AFFAIRS...LOL.
COMPARED TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH?
Pot, meet kettle...
It’s okay for you guys to do the same to protestants though. Again, pot meet kettle.
vlad, don’t play the poor Catholic routine. I’ve not come to expect that from you.
Thank you for your support.
Or, if a recent post is any indication, they'll just talk to themselves.
Heh-heh. Are you kidding? There's not a person here who would do the work you do for the pay you get. *snicker* A lot would like >Da Powah< but the hassle just wouldn't be worth it. ;-D
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