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To: Cronos; Uriel
Ok, so you then agree with Uri that "The trinity is not supported by the Holy Word of G-d. " -->

So, it seems, do the RC's hereabouts, as we have heard over and again that the Trinity cannot be found in the Bible as a comparative defense against sola scriptura. One cannot have it both ways.

What you state is not an exclusively "Roman Catholic" sense of the Trinity, but is a viewpoint shared by Baptists, Anglicans, Lutherans, Reformed, Zwinglists, Methodists, Orthodox, Orientals, Assyrians. This is the majority Christian concept.

Yet my Messianic Jewish friends KNOW who Yahweh is. They KNOW my Lord Yeshua. and they KNOW Ruach HaKodesh. They KNOW both Covenants, and understand them (probably better than any other). And they preach the Gospel of the Risen Christ. They hold *no* writings to be more important, or anywhere near equal to the Holy Oracles of Almighty God.

Yet some would build a rift and a wall against them because of a technicality that cannot be proven? They are not "Christian" because they are not "Trinitarian" according to the TRADITION of men?

Please. What hubris. What unmitigated gall. It is not ours to sanction. That is the Spirit's job.

I sense in UriÂ’el that he follows The Way. Rather than denigrating him for that, one should learn instead.

Isaiah defines the two witnesses of the Lord - Judah, who is deaf, and Ephraim who cannot see.

Before the end, Christ WILL hold Ephraim and Judah in His hand, as ONE STICK. I will readily predict that stick will not look like Judaism, nor like present day Christianity, regardless of the confession.

I'm sure, if you belong to any of the above groups, you have this same "sense of the trinity".

I am Calvinist by raising, somewhat affiliated therein to this day, - But I belong to Christ, not Calvin. I can be defined as Trinitarian, albeit loosely... But in practice, my own mind cannot wrap around the idea comfortably.

I approach the Father on His terms. He defined the Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit, and I approach Him according to those definitions, and in the ways He has prescribed. "Trinity" doesn't matter at that level.

968 posted on 02/26/2010 12:02:27 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: Uriel; UriÂ’el-2012
The ping to #968, it was meant for UriÂ’el-2012.
1,017 posted on 02/26/2010 1:08:09 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: roamer_1
1. Do you agree with Uri that "The trinity is not supported by the Holy Word of G-d. "?
2. The Church believes in the Trinity. This is proven in Scripture and Tradition. We are not solo scriptura.
That the word "Trinity" is not there in the scriptures doesn't trouble us, but can be used by sola scriptura non-Trinitarians against sola scriptura Protestants

3. I'm not doubting your friends belief -- that only God can know. I stated that What you state is not an exclusively "Roman Catholic" sense of the Trinity, but is a viewpoint shared by Baptists, Anglicans, Lutherans, Reformed, Zwinglists, Methodists, Orthodox, Orientals, Assyrians. This is the majority Christian concept. If you want to call them "not Christian", go ahead, that's your choice.
I called them "non-Trinitarian" and that "their view is not the same as the majority Christian view".

I asked you why you say "I will not criticize a Messianic Jew, nor a Lutheran, nor any that is in between except for the confusion" -- do you extend that non-criticism to Catholics and Orthodox on our opinions for the Trinity too?
1,022 posted on 02/26/2010 3:35:59 AM PST by Cronos (Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
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To: roamer_1; Cronos
Yet my Messianic Jewish friends KNOW who Yahweh is. They KNOW my Lord Yeshua. and they KNOW Ruach HaKodesh. They KNOW both Covenants, and understand them (probably better than any other). And they preach the Gospel of the Risen Christ. They hold *no* writings to be more important, or anywhere near equal to the Holy Oracles of Almighty God.

Yet some would build a rift and a wall against them because of a technicality that cannot be proven? They are not "Christian" because they are not "Trinitarian" according to the TRADITION of men?

Please. What hubris. What unmitigated gall. It is not ours to sanction. That is the Spirit's job.

I sense in UriÂ’el that he follows The Way. Rather than denigrating him for that, one should learn instead.

Isaiah defines the two witnesses of the Lord - Judah, who is deaf, and Ephraim who cannot see.

Before the end, Christ WILL hold Ephraim and Judah in His hand, as ONE STICK. I will readily predict that stick will not look like Judaism, nor like present day Christianity, regardless of the confession.

Amen.

The biggest trap the trinity causes is as some of the more "learned" Romanists have
expressed; they reject or ignore the god of the first covenant as mean and nasty.

They prefer the Jesus that they have constructed with their traditions of man.

Do not confuse Judaism with Rabbinism which seeks to replace the written Torah with the so-called "Oral Torah" which is their "Holy Tradition". I'm sure that sounds familiar.

As a study model of Judaism without the tradition of man look to Karaite Judaism .

One day soon i'll have to do a detailed study of how there is only ONE YHvH
and how it can be understood with the artificial construct of the "trinity"

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
1,085 posted on 02/26/2010 7:16:00 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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