To: wmfights; Cronos
[Cronos:] ...and as I've said: Tradition does not contradict Scripture.[wmfights:] Bowing down, or kneeling, to statues of Mary and expecting her to make God respond to your prayers is against Gods' will.
Precisely on point. Thank you.
1,360 posted on
02/27/2010 9:25:31 PM PST by
roamer_1
(Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
To: roamer_1; wmfights
Ex 20:3 --> Mary is not a god or a goddess. She is considered a creature -- ask any Catholic from the simplest in the Philippines to the most erudite. She is a created being as attested by the doctrine as captured in Scripture and enunciated in the catechism.
Ex 20:4 -- Iconoclasm has been debated earlier and longer by better people than me with 1 Chr 28:18-19, Ezekial 41:17-18, Num 21:8-9, 1 Kings 6:29-31; 8:6-66, 2Chr 3:7-14, by your extension, the destruction of the Bamiyan statues was justified, however that's not the intent -- the intent is in 5
ex 20:5 -- Bow down and serve them implies worship of the divine, which is what is not done for these objects of clay or marble or wood.
God revealed himself in physical form in the form of the Man Jesus and in the form of a dove (Matt 3:16, Mark 1:10, Luke 3:22, John 1:32) and as tongues of fire (Acts 2:1-4) for the Holy Spirit. These images are used when drawing or painting these biblical episodes and on Holy Spirit labels etc.
While God the Fathe did reveal himself too in visible forms like in Daniel 7:9 "As I looked, thrones were placed and one that was ancient of days took his seat; his raiment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames, its wheels were burning fire"
And of course, God did reveal a form for himself in Bethlehem which is why the magi "fell down and worshipped him" Matt 2:11.
An icon of Jesus Christ is just that, a depiction of the revealed God. It does not contain God or is God, it's just a depiction of Our Lord and Savior. Ditto for the pictures of saints. The Church does not transfer our notion of God to anything other than God -- those paintings, statues are not God, do not possess divinity or virtue of their own right
Tradition does not contradict Scripture
1,361 posted on
02/27/2010 9:41:15 PM PST by
Cronos
(Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
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