Posted on 02/24/2010 9:36:26 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
Clearly it does.
Scripture and Holy Tradition do not contradict each other (since the latter birthed the former).
But it is OK for your doctrine to contradict or speak where Scripture is silent, IC for instance.
Protestants are continually being called “bigots” on the forum for simply disagreeing with the papacy.
We’ve been called terrible names, some too vile to even repeat. We've been subjected to unimaginable visual assaults in the form of cat pictures. And when we respond by saying “disagreement is not bigotry,” we are shouted down with even nastier invectives.
There’s nothing offensive in this article. It simply points out the double-standard Rome exhibits and the kid gloves Roman Catholic apologists demand everyone wear when discussing theology with them.
I was asked why we discuss Roman Catholicism. Here’s the answer...again...
1) We discuss a variety of faiths; Roman Catholicism is one of them.
2) Contrary to what some Roman Catholic apologists would like the world to believe, the papacy is very political. And this being a political forum, it is only natural conservatives would stand up and rebuke the pope's recent encyclical where he urges the formation of a "global authority" with the power of enforcement "with teeth." I bought the bound copy of the pope's encyclical and read it. It is pure socialism bordering on communism. It seeks to put the sovereignty of the United States under the control of some "global authority" with the power and purpose to regulate this country's military defense, taxation and finances, health care, social institutions, food distribution, environmental concerns and immigration policies.
If Harry Reid had written that encyclical, conservatives would be tarring and feathering the old bird. And rightly so.
3) We consider ourselves to be Christian. When Roman Catholics tell us that "Christian" means to pray to saints and to view the priest as "another Christ" and to label Mary as a "co-redeemer," we, as Christians, feel obligated by the Gospel to say "No, that is not how we have so learned Christ."
As Bible-believing Christians, we believe we have not only the joy of preaching the Gospel, but the obligation to do so with as much truth and clarity as we can muster. That does not mean we are to be intentionally offensive. But as has been shown on the forum for years, any disagreement with Rome is seen as "offensive" to some Roman Catholics.
Who to follow? God or men?
A good example of this occurred today when Alamo-Girl asked a few Roman Catholics if they considered her "anti-Catholic." And one Roman Catholic poster responded that yes, she could be viewed in some small way, as "anti-Catholic" because she said she doesn't follow the traditions of men. And the Roman Catholic took offense at this remark, believing that she was labeling his faith as "the traditions of men."
But taking a step back and really looking at A-G's response, who would disagree with A-G that it is wrong to follow the doctrines of men? She went out of her way to give an inoffensive response which simply stated her belief and yet she was still accused of being "anti-Catholic."
Doesn't it ever occur to Roman Catholics that this is the very reason why the Reformation came about? Because men disagreed with Rome's interpretation of the Scriptures and rather than work things out, Rome excommunicated/executed those who raised their voice in protest.
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith." -- Romans 1:15-17"So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the Gospel to you that are at Rome also.
And UriÂ’el would be correct. In fact, UriÂ’el is quite correct.
If the Father required a Roman Catholic sense of the Trinity, it would be very specifically laid out in the Scriptures. It is *not*. The exact makeup of the Godhead is an unfathomable mystery.
UriÂ’el has taken nothing away from the Scriptures, nor has he added to it. He speaks the Gospel of the Risen Lord.
So? Post it. But better hurry, Festivus Quiximus is almost over
And yet there is the Father/Son/Holy Spirit all in Scripture. Divine names, divine attributes, carrying out divine works, accorded glory, honor and worship which are worthy of God alone.
INDEED TO THE MAX.
WELL PUT.
ENTIRELY ACCURATE.
Exceedingly more gentle than deserved, imho.
It usually appears to me
that the mods are pinged by the rabid cliques of the Papists because they are used to
whining, wailing, pulling on the apron strings of ‘higher authority’ in efforts to get other folks in as much trouble as possible.
We could be slightly charitable about that, I suppose, . . . considering how their arguments don’t hold water; their demeanor is horrid; their logic is nonexistent; their Biblies & histories rubberized and shredded . . . what else do they really have but whining to authority figures?
I agree with you.
It’s always been mystifying to me how my Pentecostal HOliness uncle and aunt so glibly gloss over or rationalize away all those Scriptures. Mind boggling.
You are such a loveable Brother.
A real treasure.
As far as I’m concerned, they could have a running thread going forever on that topic. Trouble is, no one would be that interested! LOL.
Like some of Biden et al’s rallys . . . few folks bothered to come.
I think Prottys tend to be too straight-forward and boring for much heated debate very often. We can discuss things even fiercely and hear one another and disagree fiercely or not and go on down the street.
We don’t have to maximize our bile; maximize our haughtiness; maximize our arrogance, maximize our prissy-ness, maximize our pique to feel heard and worthwhile persons and Believers. We don’t have to threaten and batter everyone else into our mold.
Besides, most theological arguments are about things that are not so precisely or redundantly clear in Scripture. Reasonable people can differ even emotionally without being construed as insane.
Absolutely true. But there are also insurmountable dichotomies which can be listed, which show them to be separate. There are also passages which indicate hierarchy within the Godhead... And the Trinitarian model does not sufficiently explain these discrepancies.
Am I to castigate my brother for seeing that mystery differently than I? Perhaps, but only for trying to exclusively define what remains undefined, especially if it is insisted upon as some hallmark of Christianity.
For that reason, I will not criticize a Messianic Jew, nor a Lutheran, nor any that is in between except for the confusion - Clarity on this matter is not to be found, and it awaits revelation in it's time.
I think there will be a lot of red faces among those standing before the King one day - for presuming to know the unknowable.
Who can define God? No one can. And no one should try.
Thanks for your kind reply.
Sometimes your wisdom and oil on waters demeanor is a priceless salve around these parts.
Besides, most theological arguments are about things that are not so precisely or redundantly clear in Scripture. Reasonable people can differ even emotionally without being construed as insane.
And the reason why Protestants can do that is because most Protestants understand that 100% perfection is not possible in this life. So we're all doing the best we can.
No church has everything correct. Likewise, there is no such thing as a man who is "infallible" in ANYTHING. All men are fallen and all sin daily.
The only "infallibility" in this life is the word of God made alive in our hearts and minds by the Holy Spirit.
LOL.
I much agree.
Where Scripture is unclear or silent is a poor place to get one’s knickers in a twist.
INDEED, INDEED!:
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And the reason why Protestants can do that is because most Protestants understand that 100% perfection is not possible in this life. So we’re all doing the best we can.
No church has everything correct. Likewise, there is no such thing as a man who is “infallible” in ANYTHING. All men are fallen and all sin daily.
The only “infallibility” in this life is the word of God made alive in our hearts and minds by the Holy Spirit.
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Which, personally, I think was God’s design. IT PUTS THOUGHTFUL BELIVERS BACK CONSTANTLY ON GOD TO GET THEIR KNOWLEDGE, WISDOM, UNDERSTANDING AND MARCHING ORDERS 24/7
Given that Christ died for FELLOWSHIP AND INTIMACY WITH THE FATHER FOR THE REST OF US . . . That MUST be a key high priority to DADDY.
Which is another reason why I’m utterly convinced that the Papoist foisting of Mary between God and man is sooooo
ABSOLUTELY OFFENSIVE to The Father, Son, Spirit and Mary.
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Given that Christ died for FELLOWSHIP AND INTIMACY WITH THE FATHER FOR THE REST OF US . . . That MUST be a key high priority to DADDY.
This has to be a joke. Honestly, what is the limit to whining.
Protestants are continually being called “bigots” on the forum for simply disagreeing with the papacy.
Nobody cares if protties disagree. When untruths are told, there is definitely an objection. When protties tell us what we believe, there is definitely an objection. And when protties call names, there is definitely an objection.
And this being a political forum, it is only natural conservatives would stand up and rebuke the pope's recent encyclical where he urges the formation of a "global authority" with the power of enforcement "with teeth." I bought the bound copy of the pope's encyclical and read it. It is pure socialism bordering on communism. It seeks to put the sovereignty of the United States under the control of some "global authority" with the power and purpose to regulate this country's military defense, taxation and finances, health care, social institutions, food distribution, environmental concerns and immigration policies.
A perfect example of the UNTRUTHS posted by anti-Catholic bigots on FR. This has been refuted more than once, elsewhere.
3) We consider ourselves to be Christian. When Roman Catholics tell us that "Christian" means to pray to saints and to view the priest as "another Christ" and to label Mary as a "co-redeemer," we, as Christians, feel obligated by the Gospel to say "No, that is not how we have so learned Christ."
Point to any Catholic who has told you any of that garbage. Impossible, because it has not been done. This is another example of the falsehoods of the anti-Catholic bigots.
We’ve been called terrible names, some too vile to even repeat.
Any names as bad as "Vatican agents"? As bad as "socialists"? As bad as "Marble Mary toe-kissers"? As bad as "rabid RCCs"?
Apparently protties get all lathered up when they are called on their untruths. I've never seen so many big blue sermons or lengthy complaints as when the TRUTH about prottie behavior on the RF is finally told.
The simple truth is that there is a small, vicious core of anti-Catholic bigots on FR. If the shoe fits, wear it.
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