Posted on 02/24/2010 9:36:26 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
But the words of God are spirit and life. The words of men are neither spirit nor life. The indwelling Holy Spirit brings the words of God alive within me. That is how I spiritually discern the difference.
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. - I John 2:29
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. - John 15:4
But I do not denigrate any Christian who leans on the whole counsel of his religious authorities. God has not lead me on such a path, but if He ever did, I would of course follow His leading.
And my devotions (prayers) are always to God in the manner Christ commanded:
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Matthew 6:9-15
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Matt 4:4
I am that bread of life. John 6:48
Blessed [are] the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Matt 5:7
To God be the glory, not man, never man!
So he made him a Bishop? A priest? What did Paul "make " Timothy??
I congratulate you. Your thread is doing a very good job delineating the answer to its interrogatory title.
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God has stated that He prefers tabernacles not made with human hands. His indwelling is all that matters, and the gift of the HS comes from Him
Looks like a bishop to me. The head of a local church. Yep, that’s a bishop.
Thank you for your encouragement, dear brother in Christ!
There is a clear Biblical record of it. You just choose to interpret it differently. The Bible is not an exhaustive history of the Church.
Your Elisha analogy fails because we are not aware of any Hebrews claiming this authority through the ages. That is not true of the church. Bishops have been around and recognized since the beginning.
And thank you for your graciousness and your distinctive font.
As do we all, which is one reason no one really cares what they hurl at us. We refuse to be intimidated with the PC baloney, just as all America is waking up to the invisible chains the overlords have brought upon us with their nonsense.
So does Paul call Him an apostle ? Did Paul have the authority to ordain an apostle/bishop?
Do you consider the Pope and the Catholic magisterium the ultimate authority in interpreting the scripture?And here's why it strikes me that way, even though I do not think of you as having any animosity: We Catholics understand ourselves as eschewing " all the doctrines and traditions of men."Again, I eschew all the doctrines and traditions of men - whether given by the Pope/Magisterium, Luther, Calvin, Arminius, Billy Graham, etc. Any of these - like anyone here on the forum - may convey the words of God.
We also do not think of "Sacred Tradition" or the teachings of the Magisterium as doctrines and traditions of men.
So, outside of disagreeing, I have no problem with your proposing that Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium are or include "the doctrines and traditions of men" and that therefore we Catholics INADVERTENTLY FAIL to eschew "all the doctrines and traditions of men."
But, AS WRITTEN, the statement seems to suggest that we find nothing wrong with what WE think are the blah blah of men.
Did I manage to be clear?
In fact, when they needed a new apostle, on Whom did they call? Acts 1:12-26
Do you think Timothy is an apostle?
I don’t.
Paul did it, the Bible records it and he didn’t get knocked off his horse because of it.
So I think he had the authority.
When James Swan writes about Martin Luther, he does a great job:
http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2007/07/resources-martin-luther.html
However, here he seems to get upset about being called anti-Catholic without first looking at who is doing the calling.
There is catholic and Catholic. The former is generally accepted as meaning universal. The latter is how many Catholics prefer to be called. Frankly, I’d call Catholics “Heffalumps”, if that was their preferred term and if it would allow me to discuss issues without getting emotion in the way of the discussion.
Now, first, there is anti-Catholic in the sense of being in opposition to the Catholic Church & its teachings. I am, in that sense, Anti-Catholic concerning Priests, and Pro-Catholic on the Deity of Christ. It isn’t a useful term when used thus, because one person can then be both Anti-Catholic & Pro-Catholic.
Second, there is Anti-Catholic in the sense of being personally opposed to Catholics. I don’t think that is particularly common, but it once was.
I think there is a third sense, in which people define there beliefs about God as being in opposition to Catholic beliefs. I think some ‘reformation’ churches fall in this trap. As a Baptist, I probably disagree with more Catholic theology than many ‘reformers’ - for example, I don’t believe in infant baptism, the perpetual virginity of Mary or that a consecrated wafer is anything other than a wafer, except perhaps to the person taking it (http://www.grbc.net/about_us/1689.php?chapter=30). Some ‘reformers’ agree with Catholics on all three.
However, Baptists generally don’t define ourselves as opposition to something, but for something. I am FOR believer’s baptism as the best and truest way to follow the example in the New Testament. I am FOR the Eucharist (thanksgiving) being “in remembrance” as the truest way to follow what Jesus said to do.
When someone uses “RC” after being told it is offensive, or tells someone else they are worshiping images when the other person says they intend no such thing, then I think they have fallen into the trap of number 3, and view themselves as being opponents of Catholics rather than proponents of something different.
He is the proud recipient of the Pacem in Terris Award Thank you for correcting my spelling.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
as it prompted me to research Saul Alinsky.
along with other Communists and Murderers of black children.
The problem is that I can only see the world through my own eyes. I cannot know what is in your mind and thereby avoid causing offense. But that was not my intent. Not at all.
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