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WHO REALLY IS 'ANTI-CATHOLIC?'
Alpha and Omega Ministries ^ | 1-23-10 | James Swan

Posted on 02/24/2010 9:36:26 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg

Back in one my old philosophy classes I recall lengthy discussions as to the relationship between names and reality, and then spinning around for hours contemplating the brain teaser of what it means to "mean" something about anything. The aftermath: an entire class of young minds slipped further into skepticism, as if the reality each twenty something experienced was completely unknowable. Of course, arriving at the conclusion that ultimate reality is unknowable is... to know something about ultimate reality! Ah, the futility of the sinful mind in its continual construction of Babel towers. Without the presupposition "He is there and He is not silent" the sinful mind does what it does best: it creates a worldview that can't account for the reality it truly experiences.

Despite the aspirin needed after attending such classes, it did force me early on to think about ostensive definitions, and the carefulness with which one defines terms. With theology, correctly using terms takes on the greatest moral imperative: one is speaking about the very holy God that created the universe. Think of terms that are used to describe Biblical doctrine, like "Trinity." One is using a term to describe a collection of factual data given by the Holy Spirit. If ever one should use caution, it should be with the construction of theological terms.

Consider the designator "Catholic Church." The Westminster Confession of Faith explains, "The catholic or universal Church, which is invisible, consists of the whole number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one, under Christ the Head thereof; and is the spouse, the body, the fullness of Him that filleth all in all." The Belgic Confession states that one of its primary distinguishing marks is the "pure preaching of the gospel." If one were pressed to point to that vital factor placing one in the Catholic Church, it is the work of Christ and His Gospel. It is the Gospel which unites the members of the Catholic Church. It is the work of Christ, grasped onto by faith that links those in the Catholic Church together. This pure Gospel is of such importance, that the apostle Paul states if anyone (including himself) preaches another Gospel, he should be eternally condemned.

But what about throwing the word "Roman" into the the mix? The addition of one simple word adds in an ingredient that changes the taste, so to speak. In this short mp3 clip, Tim Staples touched on what "Roman Catholic Church" means. He says "Roman Catholic" has popularly and un-technically come to be synonymous with the term "Catholic". He states "Roman Catholic" popularly means "you're in union with the bishop of Rome." Recent mega-convert Francis Beckwith concurs:

One of my pet peeves is the intentional overuse of "Rome," "Roman," "Romanist," etc. by Protestant critics of Catholic theology. Here's why: the Catholic Church is a collection of many churches in communion with the Bishop of Rome. It's catechism--The Catechism of the Catholic Church--is that of all these churches that are in communion with one another and with the Supreme Pontiff, Pope Benedict XVI. The theology found in that text, therefore, is not Roman Catholic theology. It is Catholic theology. That's the way the Church understands itself. Common courtesy suggests that those who are critical of that theology summon the respect to refer to it as such"[source].

I admit that I've often equated the two terms. I've used the term "Catholic" to describe Roman Catholics. It has taken a conscious effort on my part to keep the terms distinguished. On the other hand, I'm not sure how it's possible to "overuse" the word "Roman" when referring to those who actively and overtly pledge obedience to bishop of Rome. Beckwith is basically saying "Catholic" is the property of the papacy, and they will define the parameters of the word.

Whose theological usage reflects the teaching of sacred Scripture? Is union with the bishop of Rome an element of theological data mined from the Scriptures? Hardly. It's an extra-Biblical presupposition hoisted upon the text. One has to first assume the validity of the papacy and then read it back into the sacred text. The popular definition as described by Mr. Staples and Dr. Beckwith is entirely unbiblical.

There's one other theological term being thrown around with this: anti-Catholic. Recently Roman Catholic apologist Dave Armstrong stated he "temporarily suspended [his] ongoing policy of not interacting with anti-Catholic arguments and polemics." Well, after I ceased shaking in fear over this announcement, I scrolled through Armstrong's multiple diatribes to see his precise meaning of the term "anti-Catholic." His exact formula appears to boil down to: "One who denies that the Catholic Church and its theology is properly classifiable as Christian" [source].

By applying Armstrong's standard, an Anti-Mormon would be one who denies that the Mormon church and its theology is properly classifiable as Christian. Dave would probably say it's a good thing to be anti-Mormon. So, simply using the term "anti" as Armstrong suggests is either good or bad depending on one's presuppositions. According to Dave's definition, I would say it's a good thing to be anti-Catholic in the same way Dave would probably hold it's a good thing to be anti-Mormon.

Armstong's seemingly endless qualifications and examination of the term "anti-Catholic," as well as "his own definition" provoked me to apply what has been discussed above, and consider an alternate theological definition. If "Catholic" is connected symbiotically with the Gospel, wouldn't an anti-Catholic be someone who either denies the Gospel or denies it as that which unites the people of God into the universal Church? If a particular church overtly espouses a different Gospel, according to Paul, let him be anathema. If understood this way, it would be Roman Catholics who are anti-Catholics. Their Council of Trent explicitly rejected the Gospel in an official declaration.

How does one precisely refer to those in communion with Rome and obedient to the Bishop of Rome? Contrary to Beckwith, I've seriously considered using the word "Romanist." The term describes those devoted to the papacy quite succinctly. However, I was informed by another zealous defender of the papacy that "...many non-Catholic apologists are truly bigots at heart and they use 'Roman' as a derogatory insult. Their bigotry becomes even more clear when they use Romish or Romanist." No one wants to be thought of as a bigot. However, in the same Catholic Answers broadcast cited above, Tim Staples and his co-host positively referred to themselves as "Romanists" introducing their "open forum for non-Catholics" show, in which they only take calls from those outside of their worldview. Here is the mp3 clip. Perhaps they were kidding, although it's hard to tell.

I'm tempted to simply start using the term anti-Catholic for the reasons outlined. I can think of no better theological phrase to describe those who inject obedience to the papacy into the term "Catholic Church."


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: anticatholic; freformed; usancgldslvr
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Interesting article ...and timely

It was Constantine that started what we call the Roman Catholic branch of the catholic church.

The churches I attended always had "St. So&so Roman Catholic church" on there signs and they still do. That distinguishes them from some of the orthodox churches and makes sense

As a catholic that was not "insulting", the mass at one time was in Latin, the popes were always Italian, the Vatican is in Rome and the church was started by a Roman emperor . Before that time, there were home churches and most of what Catholics call tradition came after his "conversion ". The roots of the RC are from Italy/Rome

101 posted on 02/24/2010 11:48:42 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Marysecretary
Quick, hide in here
102 posted on 02/24/2010 11:49:08 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

They just project on others what they do themselves maybe?


103 posted on 02/24/2010 11:49:08 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Ken4TA

I AGREE.


104 posted on 02/24/2010 11:51:19 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Alamo-Girl

I don’t see how I can answer that without making it personal.

;-)

I don’t think that disagreeing with us is a conclusive sign that the disagree-er is anti-Catholic.


105 posted on 02/24/2010 11:52:00 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Christian_Capitalist
"Papist" is descriptively accurate, and could hardly be considered a derogatory term by those whose ecclesiology is Papist rather than Conciliar or Congregational -- unless one were to acknowledge that obedience to the Papacy is a bad thing...

The word is a reformation word.. today the politically correct see it as an insult or something.. but it is a historically valid word (as is protestant:)

106 posted on 02/24/2010 11:52:58 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Alamo-Girl
I eschew all the doctrines and traditions of men across the board. I'm just a Christian, plain and simple.

Nonsense. Everyone has a tradition, everyone has an interpretation.

107 posted on 02/24/2010 11:54:17 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: word_warrior_bob

what a hoot!!!


108 posted on 02/24/2010 11:55:15 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: ajr276
Early Christians certainly didn’t think that loyalty to the bishop was an un-Catholic matter, and there were some pretty crummy bishops.

The title Bishop means overseer, there is no apostolic succession taught in scripture.

Christ picked His apostles, He never transfered the right to men or He would have told us that in scripture..

109 posted on 02/24/2010 11:56:16 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
This is a very good article. Succinct and directly to the point.

The Roman Catholics want it both ways. They want to define the term Catholic in a manner in which it only refers to Romanists, and then apply the term Anti-Catholic to all who find error in the Romanist tradition.

Inasmuch as I believe fully in the gospel once given to all the saints and the gospel preached by Paul and the Apostles (as enunciated in Galatians) that would make me Catholic.

So anyone who would disparage my theological views would, by definition, have to be considered "Anti-Catholic".

110 posted on 02/24/2010 11:57:17 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: 1000 silverlings

I’ll join you all in a minute....


111 posted on 02/24/2010 11:57:25 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
As Orwell said, whoever controls the language, controls the debate.

I was just thinking of that but could not remember the citation

112 posted on 02/24/2010 11:57:48 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Quix
NO SYSTEM can be God . . . nor ought to be treated as God.

Amen

113 posted on 02/24/2010 11:58:34 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Marysecretary

Some folks are only capable of cheering on the angry mob from the sidelines like the tormentors of Christ as he carried the cross. Take a wild guess on which side you fall in this analogy.


114 posted on 02/24/2010 12:02:39 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Campion; Quix
Their Council of Trent explicitly rejected the Gospel in an official declaration.

Champion, what is the gospel, if Trent did not anathematize that held to it?

115 posted on 02/24/2010 12:03:41 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Marysecretary

wear pink


116 posted on 02/24/2010 12:06:10 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: RnMomof7
there is no apostolic succession taught in scripture.

In my Bible, Paul embues Timothy with his authority.

117 posted on 02/24/2010 12:10:31 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave; RnMomof7

Who’d Timothy embue?


118 posted on 02/24/2010 12:12:16 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Not relevant. The point is that the Apostles (Paul, in this case) are clearly in Scripture passing on their authority to other new leaders as the Church grew into new areas.

That’s apostolic succession.


119 posted on 02/24/2010 12:14:28 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: RnMomof7
The title Bishop means overseer, there is no apostolic succession taught in scripture.

Right. I can not find that in Scripture anywhere.

Where did that come from any way?


120 posted on 02/24/2010 12:15:21 PM PST by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart. WHO DAT!)
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