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To: TaraP

Do we really need an old piece of cloth as proof? That’s why it’s called faith my friends, because we don’t need proof to believe.


3 posted on 02/22/2010 11:28:31 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun

Science does...Let them see TRUTH! because they surely do not understand it!


7 posted on 02/22/2010 11:31:15 AM PST by TaraP (*GOD* made love so strong, so it would carry you all the way home.....)
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To: goodwithagun
Do we really need an old piece of cloth as proof? That’s why it’s called faith my friends, because we don’t need proof to believe.

To each their own. I am a man of very little faith, call it being 'jaded', experience or disappointments due to a lifetime of hearing lies, deceit and betrayals. For me, hard physical proof was required for me to join the church I joined. I relish pictures of the Ark, the shroud and other 'facts' that are given in the scriptures that are only lately being substanciated by science. For some of us; these bits of physical material give us the 'boost' we need to have faith in the unknown.

9 posted on 02/22/2010 11:32:28 AM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: goodwithagun

“Do we really need an old piece of cloth as proof? That’s why it’s called faith my friends, because we don’t need proof to believe.”

If you had been there at the moment of Resurrection, would you need faith to believe in Christ? NO, you wouldn’t. You saw it happen, after all. And so, neither did the Apostles and the 500 who saw the resurrected Christ.

The point is, that Christ’s Resurrection is not only an article of faith, but also IT WAS A REAL PHYSICAL FACT/HAPPENING, AND THE SHROUD ATTESTS TO IT, AND YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN A REAL PHYSICAL FACT/HAPPENING HAD YOU BEEN THERE....

Christ’s story is not just “faith”, it really happened.

Ask yourself if you would today toss away a “video” (had that been possible in ancient times) of the parting of the Red Sea because, you reason, you don’t really need it because you have “faith” that the Bible says it happened.


22 posted on 02/22/2010 12:01:00 PM PST by Nabber
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To: goodwithagun
"That’s why it’s called faith my friends, because we don’t need proof to believe."

The fundamental underpinning of Christianity, the belief that God became physically human, and corporeally manifest to walk among mankind, is one based on physical proof. If "The Word" were adequate, there would have been no need for the Word to be made Flesh.

29 posted on 02/22/2010 12:09:43 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: goodwithagun

Yes it is “faith” and you have to “believe”, as in not knowing first hand of a true fact. It involves only having to take someone else’s account, or other evidence to try to conclude what is truth. But believing and having faith, by definition, is an acknowledgment of not knowing.

If science elevates what is known to fact so that there is no more faith or belief, but rather knowing, it’s a whole new ballgame. At that point there is no need for believing or faith. It’s accept the proven truth. Or, said a different way, “Are you stupid? This is proof of an actual resurrection from the dead. You better get your own spiritual house in order.”


42 posted on 02/22/2010 12:50:37 PM PST by DaGman
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To: goodwithagun
Well, as a reminder that the Resurrection really happened. From time to time, God likes to provide hints that He exists. The significance of this sign is that Jesus was a man who lived and died, and then “rose from the dead” as that same man: not as a resuscitated corpse but as a "glorified" body."
43 posted on 02/22/2010 12:51:08 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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