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To: Free Vulcan
Thank you for explaining. I disagree with your understanding of history, however. I find a common theme in the first millennium of Christendom to be that the Church of Rome was seen to have a prominence above the other patriarchates. A council was not considered "ecumenical" unless attended or approved by the Bishop of Rome. The See of Rome was considered of such importance that, for example, during the Arian controversy the Eastern Emperor (or Empress) schemed to get an Arian bishop appointed to Rome. To deny the primacy of Rome is ahistorical. I think we're not the ones "sweeping history under the rug". Quite the contrary ...

Your list of the "other four" original Patriarchates (Churches) is ... wrong.

And the Chaldean Church is in communion with Rome, as are "Eastern" Churches throughout eastern Europe and Asia Minor.

And that Anglican Ordinariate was welcomed with great joy by the "Roman" Catholics on this forum.

79 posted on 02/22/2010 9:16:11 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

There were a number of church centers, but the 5 that rose to prominency were the ones I listed and were the main movers and shakers at different points in history.
Rome was often consulted because it was distant from the other four and was hoped to be impartial. Doesn’t mean it was always agreed with.

However that lasted till Rome tried to assert Papal supremacy, and the Eastern Orthodox told him to spit up a rope to start the Great Schism which never has been healed but on paper.

The may get along and they may take communion, but I guarantee you historians from the other sects do not and will not agree on and do not accept Roman primacy, nor will they ever.


85 posted on 02/22/2010 9:45:49 AM PST by Free Vulcan (No prisoners, no mercy. 2010 awaits...)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Free Vulcan

I have a feeling that brother Free Vulcan is repeating what he thinks Rome is about. We must as Catholics also emphasise that the Pope as Patriach of the West is equal to the other Patriarchs, not greater or lesser, but as per tradition, first among equals


121 posted on 02/23/2010 6:15:04 AM PST by Cronos (Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
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