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To: daniel1212
"What i established is that of both the Father and the Son receiving worship together, which is to be only given to God, and is nowhere shown to be given t anyone else but God,"

Correct....however, one cannot get to the Father except through the Son.

8,791 posted on 02/05/2010 7:27:43 PM PST by NoGrayZone
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To: NoGrayZone; daniel1212
If the Father is the Son, why make such a claim that no one get's to Him, except through Him?

If I pray strictly to God, without mentioning the Son, I will not be heard....John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

8,799 posted on 02/05/2010 7:33:56 PM PST by NoGrayZone
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And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. (John 12:45)

What meaneth this?

Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him. (John 12:39-41)

When did Isaiah says this, and see Jesus in His glory, and prophesy of Him?

In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. (Isaiah 6:1-3)

Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for US? Then said I, Here am I; send me. And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed. (Isaiah 6:8-10)

The one Isaiah saw was Jesus, the Lord, sitting upon a throne in His glory, which was told in response to the eternal question, “who is this Son of man?” (Jn. 12:34b)

Subtle, but for those who have eyes...

While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them. (John 12:36)

Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour. (Isaiah 45:15)


8,817 posted on 02/05/2010 7:52:13 PM PST by daniel1212 (Rm. 10:13: whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord [only object of petition] shall be saved)
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