And I join in your prayers for HarleyDs health!
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: - John 10:27
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:26-29
To God be the glory, not man, never man!
You know what is interesting is that Christ always calls them HIS sheep. MY sheep..that shows ownership before they hear His voice..
Sheep are the dumbest of animals, but one thing is they always know the voice of their shepherd.. just recently, somewhere in the mid east, a shepherd fell (or jumped) off a cliff and thousand of sheep jumped off after him and died too..
When a sheep falls down on his back, he can not get up himself..
So when Jesus told the disciples this they would have understood that the flock that follow His voice were already His..those that were not His would not.
In my effort to save POTS, this one is not so difficult. We can just say that those who "hear my words" but don't believe were just among the crowds that physically heard Him (and other non-believers to whom He spoke face to face), but were not among the elect as they never truly believed. They were not among the sheep given by the Father to Christ because none of those would be lost. However:
The word wilfully in the passage from Hebrew 10:26 speaks loudly to me. For a person to be guilty of despite to the Spirit of grace, he must first of all know better and then willfully reject Him. Such a one would be rejecting the Spirit because the words of God are spirit and life.
As you indicate, this presents more of a problem. Hmmm. For more context, let's throw in:
To me, the presentation here is that of a choice, "do not choose to throw away your salvation which you already have by faith". So, I assume that these people really are the sheep. POTS is destroyed. However, we are faced with a huge problem in that God promises He will lose none of His sheep:
So, how do we put all this together? One way would be to say that the Hebrews verses are to encourage the correct attitude through an impossible example. It would be a way to say that even though God will protect you from losing your salvation, by no means rest on your laurels. Your attitude should always be toward Christ and loving and obeying Him. IOW, DON'T test God's promise to keep you in His hands.
In other words, I believe this warning would apply to those who have ears to hear.
I suspect there may be here a doctrinal issue concerning irresistible grace. If so, I'll bow out of the sidebar. I just wanted to present the words of God as I - a Christian plain and simple - have received them.
And thank you so much for doing so. Please don't ever bow out. I always want to hear what you think. :) Here the main doctrinal issue for me is saving POTS. I suppose I am more persuaded that when God says "no one" shall be snatched from His hands, He means "NO ONE", including us snatching ourselves out of His hands. I have never been able to justify that posited exception in my mind. And likewise I am persuaded that a seal is a seal and a guaranteed inheritance is a guaranteed inheritance. But, it's an interesting debate.
Gods grace and so sweet that those who have been regenerated by His spirit will never resist His call...
Will we sin.. we still have a human nature and as Paul says we sometimes do what we hate.. but the point is we do hate it, we no longer love our sin.