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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Mary's sacrifice is her Son, who died on that cross.

Thank you for confirming the idolatry of the papacy.<

Some (if not all) of them really do believe that Mary is God's mother, and that salvation comes from her...

5,837 posted on 01/22/2010 11:34:36 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

That post does not describe the Catholic Church.


5,843 posted on 01/22/2010 11:45:22 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Iscool; wmfights; esquirette; Quix; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings; Forest Keeper; LowOiL; Gamecock; ...
Yep. I googled "Mary's sacrifice" and was inundated with hundreds of RC websites thanking Mary for her gift of salvation to the world.

THE LEGION OF MARY

The Legion of Mary is an Association of Catholics who, with the sanction of the Church and under the powerful leadership of Mary Immaculate, Mediatrix of all Graces (who is fair as the moon, bright as the sun, and - to satan and his legionaries - terrible as an army set in battle array), have formed themselves into a Legion for service in the warfare which is perpetually waged by the Church against the world and its evil powers. - I am all Yours my Queen and my Mother and all that I have is Yours!

MARY'S SACRIFICE

...Whenever we think of Our Lady as the Co-Redemptress in Salvation, our minds usually wander back to the moment of the Annunciation, when the Archangel Gabriel delivered God's message to a young woman. God's plan of salvation was put into action when she said yes. Be it done to me according to Thy Word.

But beyond the conception and birth of Christ, Our Mother also served as Co-Redemptress at the foot of the cross. I can only imagine the grief that Our Lady suffered. To live your whole life taking care of your only son, devoting all your waking moments to that one child, only to have him wrenched away from you.

Yet in the end, she denied nothing from God. She gave Him all she had. Her Son. And just like in the Annunciation, Mary replied with a "Yes" in Calvary, and the whole world was redeemed by the sacrifice of Christ's body and blood.

"For as truly as she suffered and almost died with her suffering Son" - these are the words of Pope Benedict XV -"so truly did she renounce her maternal rights over that Son for the sake of our salvation, and (did she) immolate him, as far as with her lay, to placate God's justice. Hence it may justly be said that with Christ she redeemed the human race."

Mary gave her son? Mary redeemed? Mary mediated? Mary nearly died? Mary immolated Christ? Mary sacrificed? Mary put God's plan of salvation into action when she said yes? Mary placated God's justice?

Do these people ever read the Bible? Do they not know or not care they are speaking terrible lies against God and prurient vanity for which they will be held accountable?

And to think they teach this to their children is the saddest thing of all.

5,855 posted on 01/22/2010 12:33:44 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Iscool; Dr. Eckleburg; Mad Dawg
Some (if not all) of them really do believe that Mary is God's mother,

Ah, the old debate. You presumably prefer calling Mary Christotokos (Mother of Christ), not Theotokos (Mother of God), correct? The argument made for that (by Nestorius) was similar to yours that he thought the latter term (Mother of God) signified that Mary gave birth to the entire Godhead.

The argument made against that was no -- Mary did not give birth to the entire Godhead, but she DID give birth to Christ and in Christ was combined, inexorably, inseparably, both man and God: i.e. you cannot separate Christ the man from Christ the God, they are one and the same. If you deny the term Theotokos, you will inevitably lead to the next logical step that Mary gave birth only to Christ the man and that Christ had two separate natures. This was then used to explain various arguments:
1. That Christ the spirit "descended" (i.e. possessed) the man Jesus at the age of 30 and then left him just before he was crucified (a very mean trick)
2. That Christ the man never existed, but was pure spirit
3. That Christ was just a man working under direction from God the Father.

All of these arguments belie the idea of a Trinity and belie the concept of the divinity of Christ.

you surely do not mean to do that, do you?

And, quite frankly, I don't blame you -- theological words and definitions are complex to you and me too.
5,953 posted on 01/22/2010 8:51:46 PM PST by Cronos (Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
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