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To: Iscool; Dr. Eckleburg; Mad Dawg
Some (if not all) of them really do believe that Mary is God's mother,

Ah, the old debate. You presumably prefer calling Mary Christotokos (Mother of Christ), not Theotokos (Mother of God), correct? The argument made for that (by Nestorius) was similar to yours that he thought the latter term (Mother of God) signified that Mary gave birth to the entire Godhead.

The argument made against that was no -- Mary did not give birth to the entire Godhead, but she DID give birth to Christ and in Christ was combined, inexorably, inseparably, both man and God: i.e. you cannot separate Christ the man from Christ the God, they are one and the same. If you deny the term Theotokos, you will inevitably lead to the next logical step that Mary gave birth only to Christ the man and that Christ had two separate natures. This was then used to explain various arguments:
1. That Christ the spirit "descended" (i.e. possessed) the man Jesus at the age of 30 and then left him just before he was crucified (a very mean trick)
2. That Christ the man never existed, but was pure spirit
3. That Christ was just a man working under direction from God the Father.

All of these arguments belie the idea of a Trinity and belie the concept of the divinity of Christ.

you surely do not mean to do that, do you?

And, quite frankly, I don't blame you -- theological words and definitions are complex to you and me too.
5,953 posted on 01/22/2010 8:51:46 PM PST by Cronos (Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
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To: Cronos
The argument made for that (by Nestorius) was similar to yours that he thought the latter term (Mother of God) signified that Mary gave birth to the entire Godhead.

That's probably because that's the impression one gets when you spout off about Mary being the mother of God...

One doesn't have to differentiate between the entities of the Godhead...When we are speaking of God, we are speaking of the Godhead...

And no, Mary is not the mother of God...

Mary is the mother of one part of the Trinity...And she is NOT the natural mother of that part of the Trinity...It is not even conclusive that Mary was the natural mother of Jesus at all...

Jesus was produced from Mary's seed...Women don't have a seed...Was the seed part of Mary or was it deposited???

Jesus (the Trinity) had been alive for eons before he connected with the seed of Jesus that was in Mary's womb...

This was a super-duper supernatural event that God has chosen to keep mum about as far as the small details are concerned...

Elizabeth called Mary the mother of our LORD...NOT the mother of God...And yes, Mary is the mother of our Lord...

And of course, God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all the Lord...I like to think of the Lord as our Shepherd...As opposed to the God of Creation...

You guys start calling Mary the mother of the Lord, I may buy that...

6,014 posted on 01/23/2010 12:59:52 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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