Who are the Catholics: The Orthodox or The Romanists, or both?

Me

[the_conscience]

I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?

I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?

[Cronos]

Yes, The Church has not defined whether she died or didn't, but we do believe she was assumed into heaven body and soul. I re-read Munificentissimus Deus which does defines that "after completion of her earthy life", Mary was assumed body and soul into heaven.

And Quix, to your point, this does not contradict scripture in any way, does it?

[RnMomof7]

All does not always mean 100% .It can mean a group of people. In this case this is an introduction to the fact that God is not just the God od israel but of all types of men. That is something the jews did not believe or want to hear.

PAS
1) individually a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
2) collectively
a) some of all types

[RnMomof7]

Amen, It is believing in the God of the Bible..

[Cronos]

Scripture says no man seeks God..

Romans 3 says no one seeks after God. Yet in Acts 17 it says:

²²Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: "Men of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. ²³For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. Now what you worship as something unknown I am going to proclaim to you. ²⁴"The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands. ²⁵And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else. ²⁶From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. ²⁷God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. ²⁸'For in him we live and move and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring.'

This is a clear statement that men DO seek God

Then, in 1 Chronicles 28:9 Solomon is told of God, "If you seek him, he will be found by you." Jesus said "Seek and you will find."

Isaiah 55:6 says "Seek the LORD while he may be found; call on him while he is near."

Jeremiah 29:13 says "You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart."

Hebrews 11:6 says God "rewards those who earnestly seek him,"

[Cronos]

None are excluded from the opportunity to be saved thanks to Christ's sacrifice

[annie laurie]

Cronos: Of course, God CAN make us take the gift and happily. but He doesn't. He gives hte choice to reject it. In fact, our God of Love keeps offering the gift to us, over and over again, despite us rejecting it over and over again. Isn't that amazing? God's love for us is truly deeper than the ocean.

And this love for us doesn't make God seem weaker in my eyes, but far more powerful -- you and I are afraid to love other people for fear of rejection, but God has no fear. Wow! That's so incredible when you think of it.

boatbums: I makes me love him even more knowing that he never gave up on me and never will. Me or anyone else. He is always calling, always looking, always searching, always loving. Praise be the name of the Lord

Amen! Great posts, both of you! He never gave up on me, either :)

I will sing to the LORD as long as I live; I will sing praise to my God while I have being.

[Mad Dawg]

For in him we live and move and have our being.'

At the services the other night in which we received 8 novices (!) and the 'first promises' of 2 lay Dominicans, somebody made a typo and that came out
For in him we lie and move and have our being.'

Of course I suggested that was from the rite for Jesuits ....

[Cronos]

Who wrote The Revelation of Jesus Christ?

That book is written by John of Patmos -- why do you say that that John is the same as the disciple John
Who was the last Apostle to die?

how do you know that JOHN was the last Apostle to die? it's not in scripture.

Who would have known of any supernatural events, or abilities, pertaining to Mary after the Crucifixion?

Because Mary didn't have any supernatural abilities. The only event was her assumption into heaven by God. And John of Patmos (tradition states that he is the same Apostle John) confirms that with his description of the woman in heaven, crowned with stars.

[Cronos]

All does not always mean 100% .It can mean a group of people

That reading meanings into words. All means ALL, 100%. Christ came for ALL men, not an upper caste.

[Cronos]

Of course I suggested that was from the rite for Jesuits ....

HEY! I'm a proud alumni of a Jesuit school and Jesuit college and I resent that remark!! Don't forget the Jesuits were instrumental in the counter-reformation.

[Petronski]

All does not always mean 100%

LOL

Spin it.

[Judith Anne]

All does not always mean 100% .It can mean a group of people

And they accuse Catholics of having a "rubber dictionsary. LOL!

[Joya]

Beautiful. Thanks for posting. Was through there in 93 with my grandmother and my parents. Great trip. Esp. since Grandma was born in 1910, she was 80-something and pretty spry. (She died in 2009.) Enjoyed that trip, beautiful country there. Thanks.

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Off topic, here’s an interesting link

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1247230/The-Roman-Army-Knife-Or-ingenuity-Swiss-beaten-1-800-years.html

[Quix]

Personally,

I’d expect God to hide her burial to try and avoid the very thing that has built up over the centuries.

[Quix]

Actually, I have come across several contradictions to Scripture. Alas I'm not ready to get into them, yet and have not even kept a running list of them. My guesstimate is that there's 5-8 contradictions to Scripture in the whole Marian dogma/construction on reality according to the Vatican's presentaton of it.

To me, they are pretty starkly clear.

All the more so when one realizes what skyscrapers of dogma have been built on the toothpick of

"Mary, full of grace . . . "

However, many of them are not labeled as having anything to do with Mary. It's just that when one considers the clear implciations of those Scriptures, then one or more of the Marian dogma features has to go or the Scripture has to go. I don't think anyone doubts which wins with me.

[Petronski]

Either one or more of the Marian dogma features has to go or YOPIOS has to go.

I don’t think anyone doubts which wins with me.

[Quix]

Yeah, very different constructions on reality tend to arrive at different results and destinations.

I did very much appreciate your kindness about the tea bags.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Hope you'll forgive me if I ignore 90% of your endlessly long and padded posts stuffed full of repetitive accusations already answered, and instead respond to a point or two.

Not ONCE does someone reply, "If you have been born again and received the gift of faith, you shall believe and are saved."

"And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." -- Acts 13:48

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"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God" -- 1 Corinthians 2:12

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"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" -- Titus 3:5

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"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." -- John 6:44

OF COURSE men must believe in order to be saved.

The point the Arminian misses is that no man is able to believe or do anything God-pleasing unless and untill God first regenerates their hearts, minds, wills and spirits to want to believe and be saved.

Boast all you want your own common sense, piety, cleverness, prudence and learning have resulted in your election to salvation by God.

As for me and mine, we know what hapless sinners we are and how impotent is our own ability. Like Paul, we will glory in the Lord...alone.

[Petronski]

Dental extraction sucks. I was happy to try to help.

[Quix]

IIRC, The Jesuits are up to their funny hats in GLOBALIST maneuvers, propaganda and manipulations, as well. And have been so for a very long time.