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Who are the Catholics: The Orthodox or The Romanists, or both?
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Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience

I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?

I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?


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To: markomalley; Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg
If we're going to now be talking sense here and agreeing that "Catholic" means, well, us and "catholic" can be used by Dr. E and co if they so wish, then, yes, Alex Murphy's definition makes sense:

"Reformed/Protestant" (16th century, those that trace denominational and creedal roots back to the Reformation),
"Evangelical" (17th century, like xzins' Wesleyans/Methodists or the Baptists, largely anabaptist, that arose after the Reformed groups);
"Restorationist" (19th century, independent "first century style" churches / denominations that can be traced back to the Stone/Campbell movement in NY's Hudson River valley); and
"Charismatic" (20th century, any "Spirit-led" but anti-creedal church or denomination that followed or appeared alongside the Restorationists, but especially those that originated with the "baby boomer" generation i.e. the Calvary Chapel/Vineyard churches).


You do have questions about groups like Branch Davidians and the megachurches -- where do they fall under?
701 posted on 01/08/2010 5:33:55 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca NOW!!!<img src="http://shiitehappens.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/bomb_mecca450.jpg" />)
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To: Mad Dawg
when an anti-Catholic cites a text in an argument against a Catholic practice, he probably and usually ought to read and consider the whole text

Good advice to the "doctors". I'll be back in the evening.

702 posted on 01/08/2010 5:34:58 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Mad Dawg

MD — you’re a saint.


703 posted on 01/08/2010 5:35:11 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca NOW!!!<img src="http://shiitehappens.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/bomb_mecca450.jpg" />)
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To: Mad Dawg; Cronos; annalex; MarkBsnr; Petronski

The notion that the United States was founded by Calvinists shows the incredible hubris of Calvinism.

Were the Pilgrims and early colonists in New England Puritan Calvinists? Certainly. But as soon as the economic prospects of America became clear they were soon joined by Anglicans. Pennsylvania was settled largely by Quakers, Maryland had a very large Catholic population and most of the south was Anglican.

The hubris of Calvinism is this bizarre belief that they are somehow the “voice” of Protestantism and this is totally false and was even more false in the colonial period and founding of America.

The Anglican Church of the 17th and 18th centuries was far more similar to Catholicism than it ever was to Calvinism. High Church Anglicanism of that era was basically Catholicism minus the pope. The English people HATED Calvinism due to the English Civil War and this attitude was just as true for English Americans.


704 posted on 01/08/2010 5:43:24 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Natural Law
Is this a "graven image" or is there some different category for it?


705 posted on 01/08/2010 5:46:36 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
"The notion that the United States was founded by Calvinists shows the incredible hubris of Calvinism."

It is laughable in that the country and American identity was established by those who fled Protestant and Calvinist tyrannies. No one cared that my ancestor, the grandson of Scottish Jacobite refugees was Catholic when he wintered at Valley Forge.

706 posted on 01/08/2010 5:50:47 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Catholics pray to Mary and assorted saints, asking them to accomplish something on their behalf...

We ask them to pray for us, just as you (presumably) ask others to pray for you.

Turning that into something un-Christian tells us all a lot about how you (mis)define Christian.

707 posted on 01/08/2010 5:58:42 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
This is basic Christianity and still RCs flunk it.

Whoops, I missed your last paragraph. It looks like I actually agree with you!

This IS basic Christianity and Raving Calvinists DO flunk it.

708 posted on 01/08/2010 6:00:10 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Do you understand Fredo Corleone to be a real person?

Do you perceive The Godfather trilogy as some kind of documentary catechism on the teachings of the Catholic Church?

709 posted on 01/08/2010 6:04:16 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski
"We ask them to pray for us,"

I guess that words like intercession have too many syllables for some people.

710 posted on 01/08/2010 6:06:46 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: 1000 silverlings
...it’s meant to be hilarious...

How sad for you. You aimed for hilarious and could only manage pathetic.

711 posted on 01/08/2010 6:07:03 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

You know that it’s quite possible that Calvinists DO NOT ask others to pray for them, for that matter they may not even pray themselves.

If EVERYTHING has been predestined, what is the point in prayer? They don’t believe that prayer can actually change anything and the last thing they want is for an unpredestined person to pray for them.


712 posted on 01/08/2010 6:08:31 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Mad Dawg

Up to 700

And at last—a post I can embrace as if it were my own.

“....lies so many Protestants repeatedly tell one another about the Catholic Church”

“I hope they enjoy themselves”. They do. I have read on this forum that it is “fun” and a “game”.

“...who take refuge in lies”-—and even more, regurgitate them a thousand times over.

“I take THEM seriously...but not the silliness they speak, not any more”.

I know. It has all been a great lesson in the importance of clarity, objectivity, and Christian “witness”.

I am thinking of you this morning, MD. And I was meditating on the the beautiful chapter in Luke and the road to Emmaus. Jesus always sought companions and here He is again, a companion to the disciples on the road. Luke tells us that He was explaining the fulfillment of Scripture to them and that their “hearts were burning in their breast” as He was doing so. In the same way, each time I read the Sacred Scriptures (as lectio divina) my heart, too, is burning in my breast. And like the disciples, I beg Jesus to remain with me, as my own days now are long spent. He did stay with them to the inn-—and it was there that they recognized Him....”in the breaking of the bread.” (the liturgy of the Word, and the liturgy of the Eucharist).

A post here on this thread has commented that we Catholics have “flunked”.

No—I’m still taking the course and my Master and my Teacher is still with me.

May the Good Lord bless us all.

ROE


713 posted on 01/08/2010 6:08:55 AM PST by Running On Empty ( The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: wagglebee
"Is this a "graven image" or is there some different category for it?"

It's the theological equivalent of Larry, Moe, Curly, and Shep.

714 posted on 01/08/2010 6:11:25 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Cvengr
Christ first, then the authority to whom He has given it.

And He has given the authority to act as His Vicar to His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, successor to St. Peter.

715 posted on 01/08/2010 6:11:42 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
God wants all our prayers. Prayers to Mary and assorted saints are, at best, ignored by God.

LOL

Sola Eckleburg

716 posted on 01/08/2010 6:23:18 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Cvengr
So we agree, Christ did not build His Church upon Peter, but upon the chief cornerstone, the Rock, our Lord Christ Jesus.

If that is what you believe, you agree with you and I agree with Christ. Matthew 16:17-19

717 posted on 01/08/2010 6:27:03 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Cvengr
Exactly what good works worthy of eternal reward are possible outside of faith through Christ in His Word revealed in the canon of Scripture?

None.

Faith AND works are required.

718 posted on 01/08/2010 6:32:52 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Thank you so very much for your encouragement, dear sister in Christ!
719 posted on 01/08/2010 6:35:55 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Cvengr
Now when we are reported in Matthew that Christ is building the Church upon this rock, is that rock Peter, or is it Christ?

Peter.

720 posted on 01/08/2010 6:36:21 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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