Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
"Reformed/Protestant" (16th century, those that trace denominational and creedal roots back to the Reformation),
"Evangelical" (17th century, like xzins' Wesleyans/Methodists or the Baptists, largely anabaptist, that arose after the Reformed groups);
"Restorationist" (19th century, independent "first century style" churches / denominations that can be traced back to the Stone/Campbell movement in NY's Hudson River valley); and
"Charismatic" (20th century, any "Spirit-led" but anti-creedal church or denomination that followed or appeared alongside the Restorationists, but especially those that originated with the "baby boomer" generation i.e. the Calvary Chapel/Vineyard churches).
Good advice to the "doctors". I'll be back in the evening.
MD — you’re a saint.
The notion that the United States was founded by Calvinists shows the incredible hubris of Calvinism.
Were the Pilgrims and early colonists in New England Puritan Calvinists? Certainly. But as soon as the economic prospects of America became clear they were soon joined by Anglicans. Pennsylvania was settled largely by Quakers, Maryland had a very large Catholic population and most of the south was Anglican.
The hubris of Calvinism is this bizarre belief that they are somehow the “voice” of Protestantism and this is totally false and was even more false in the colonial period and founding of America.
The Anglican Church of the 17th and 18th centuries was far more similar to Catholicism than it ever was to Calvinism. High Church Anglicanism of that era was basically Catholicism minus the pope. The English people HATED Calvinism due to the English Civil War and this attitude was just as true for English Americans.
It is laughable in that the country and American identity was established by those who fled Protestant and Calvinist tyrannies. No one cared that my ancestor, the grandson of Scottish Jacobite refugees was Catholic when he wintered at Valley Forge.
We ask them to pray for us, just as you (presumably) ask others to pray for you.
Turning that into something un-Christian tells us all a lot about how you (mis)define Christian.
Whoops, I missed your last paragraph. It looks like I actually agree with you!
This IS basic Christianity and Raving Calvinists DO flunk it.
Do you perceive The Godfather trilogy as some kind of documentary catechism on the teachings of the Catholic Church?
I guess that words like intercession have too many syllables for some people.
How sad for you. You aimed for hilarious and could only manage pathetic.
You know that it’s quite possible that Calvinists DO NOT ask others to pray for them, for that matter they may not even pray themselves.
If EVERYTHING has been predestined, what is the point in prayer? They don’t believe that prayer can actually change anything and the last thing they want is for an unpredestined person to pray for them.
Up to 700
And at last—a post I can embrace as if it were my own.
“....lies so many Protestants repeatedly tell one another about the Catholic Church”
“I hope they enjoy themselves”. They do. I have read on this forum that it is “fun” and a “game”.
“...who take refuge in lies”-—and even more, regurgitate them a thousand times over.
“I take THEM seriously...but not the silliness they speak, not any more”.
I know. It has all been a great lesson in the importance of clarity, objectivity, and Christian “witness”.
I am thinking of you this morning, MD. And I was meditating on the the beautiful chapter in Luke and the road to Emmaus. Jesus always sought companions and here He is again, a companion to the disciples on the road. Luke tells us that He was explaining the fulfillment of Scripture to them and that their “hearts were burning in their breast” as He was doing so. In the same way, each time I read the Sacred Scriptures (as lectio divina) my heart, too, is burning in my breast. And like the disciples, I beg Jesus to remain with me, as my own days now are long spent. He did stay with them to the inn-—and it was there that they recognized Him....”in the breaking of the bread.” (the liturgy of the Word, and the liturgy of the Eucharist).
A post here on this thread has commented that we Catholics have “flunked”.
No—I’m still taking the course and my Master and my Teacher is still with me.
May the Good Lord bless us all.
ROE
It's the theological equivalent of Larry, Moe, Curly, and Shep.
And He has given the authority to act as His Vicar to His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, successor to St. Peter.
LOL
Sola Eckleburg
If that is what you believe, you agree with you and I agree with Christ. Matthew 16:17-19
None.
Faith AND works are required.
Peter.
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