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Who are the Catholics: The Orthodox or The Romanists, or both?
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Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience

I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?

I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?


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To: Hegewisch Dupa; Judith Anne
Little-known fact: Gymnasts get two attempts at their vault. Mary Lou got the ten she needed for the gold on her first attempt. With everything wrapped up she could have passed on the second attempt, there was nothing to be gained. Instead she thought about it, figured "I'll never be at the Olympics again, so why not?" and took her second vault. She got another ten. I've been in love ever since.

Since she already had a bum leg I can't imagine she would risk a career ending injury for nothing at all. I'm just guessing, but I'll bet she needed the second vault in case someone else got a 10, and the other vault would break the tie. I don't remember if she went last which would make this moot, however.

6,821 posted on 01/28/2010 2:54:06 AM PST by Forest Keeper ((It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Mad Dawg
Deep down the free will believer has the uncertainty of "...saved if I can just hold on to my faith."

That is incorrect. We believe we will be able to hold on to our faith due to God's grace and the help of The Church
6,822 posted on 01/28/2010 3:12:17 AM PST by Cronos (Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
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To: Forest Keeper

Part of the reason she is so cool is because she understood it was far more than ‘nothing at all.’ And her knee had healed up pretty well by then too.


6,823 posted on 01/28/2010 4:59:05 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Cronos
I read last night that faith is not an impediment to reason but it removes impediments and sets reason free.

As we give ourselves to IHS He seems to accentuate our individuality. Holy Paul says "Star differs from star in glory." I am no star, but I get what he means.

6,824 posted on 01/28/2010 7:20:43 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: stfassisi; Dr. Eckleburg

Good quote. The logic inherent there in does not contradict that God is Sovereign, but rather affirms it.

And why drag Calvin into everything?

“It is often said that the doctrines we believe have a tendency to lead us to sin. I have heard it asserted most positively, that those high doctrines which we love, and which we find in the Scriptures, are licentious ones. I do not know who will have the hardihood to make that assertion, when they consider that the holiest of men have been believers in them. I ask the man who dares to say that Calvinism is a licentious religion, what he thinks of the character of Augustine, or Calvin, or Whitefield, who in successive ages were the great exponents of the system of grace; or what will he say of the Puritans, whose works are full of them? Had a man been an Arminian in those days, he would have been accounted the vilest heretic breathing, but now we are looked upon as the heretics, and they as the orthodox. We have gone back to the old school; we can trace our descent from the apostles.” ~ Charles Spurgeon


6,825 posted on 01/28/2010 7:24:24 AM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: Judith Anne

Yep.


6,826 posted on 01/28/2010 7:24:41 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: RnMomof7; Mr Rogers
Scripture tells us the the cross is foolishness to the perishing, it does not matter how much they study they will not get it.

This is so powerful!

We see it on these threads every day.

6,827 posted on 01/28/2010 7:33:48 AM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: MarkBsnr

“They are not wrong to look and attempt to understand; they are wrong to prefer Scripture over God.”

False division. Scripture is God-breathed. The breath of God reveals who God is and gives us life. God’s revelation isn’t limited to scripture...my horses and dogs regularly are used by God to teach me things - but scripture is trustworthy and authoritative.

I’ve been convicted of sin many times in my life, but I’ve never been convicted of reading God’s word too much! Quite the opposite...

“Faith is the important operant here, not the Scriptures. Salvation is through faith, not through Scriptures.”

You miss the point. No one claims I can toss a bible at someone and make them a Christian...unless he is elect, but that is another argument. ;>)

But the scriptures reveal Christ, unless one hardens one’s heart to God.

“Don’t recall Jesus predicting a Baptist Church.”

That’s OK - he never predicted Peter would be Pope. In fact, he never predicted there would BE a pope! The Vicar of Christ is the Holy Spirit.

“I have had conversation with many here who believe that seal means a ziplock baggie in which the individual is placed on their limo ride.”

I haven’t thought much about it. A seal authenticates the document as coming from someone, so I assume it means the Holy Spirit is our proof that it is God working in us. You can have intellectual assent to the Gospel, but if there is no fruit of the Spirit, then it is just intellectual - no salvation from that.

I could speculate more, but if I don’t know my own mind, why bother you with a dribble of incoherent thought? And of course, I’ve NEVER done that to you before.... ;>)


6,828 posted on 01/28/2010 7:43:25 AM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: HarleyD; Mr Rogers; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; Forest Keeper; esquirette; RnMomof7
The message of the cross is utter folly to those who are blinded.

As Born Again Christians we are commanded by our Savior to preach The Gospel. Hasn't everyone had at least one experience where no matter how hard you tried the friend you talked with just refused to believe The Gospel?

6,829 posted on 01/28/2010 7:44:37 AM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Cronos

Hyper-Calvinism is Calvinism carried to its logical conclusion. It is called hypercalvinism because it embarrasses those who follow Calvin.


6,830 posted on 01/28/2010 7:48:24 AM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Cronos

Thanks for your kind words.

I have just finished the TEN SERIES OF MEDITATIONS ON THE MYSTERIES OF THE ROSARY.

There was much good spiritual food therein.

There were many shocking things, as well.

God be with you this Thursday


6,831 posted on 01/28/2010 7:50:32 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Mr Rogers
“They are not wrong to look and attempt to understand; they are wrong to prefer Scripture over God.”

False division. Scripture is God-breathed. The breath of God reveals who God is and gives us life. God’s revelation isn’t limited to scripture...my horses and dogs regularly are used by God to teach me things - but scripture is trustworthy and authoritative.

Just "for the sake of completeness:"

Of course Scripture is God-breathed. (And of course we papists would add that the Church is God-guided, blah blah.)

However I would agree with Tillich (I'm sure he's the favorite theologian of EVERYONE here -- not!) that the FIRST and most persistent assault is idolatry, and the chiefest (a little archaism there) member of that genus is pride.

We can make an idol even of God when we try to subject Him to our will. Certainly some who worship among us Catholics make idols of Mary or other saints. We innerleckshuals can make idols of our thoughts. and so forth.

So, not meaning to criticize anyone, but as I say, for the sake of completeness, one can certainly be a bibliolater.

Lewis somewhere has an excellent fragment of a prayer addressed to "God, not as I think Thou art, but as Thou knowest Thyself to be, ..."

6,832 posted on 01/28/2010 9:17:21 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: marron

Thank you marron.


6,833 posted on 01/28/2010 9:26:36 AM PST by betty boop (Malevolence wears the false face of honesty. — Tacitus)
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To: wmfights; HarleyD; Mr Rogers; Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; esquirette; RnMomof7
“As Born Again Christians we are commanded by our Savior to preach The Gospel. Hasn't everyone had at least one experience where no matter how hard you tried the friend you talked with just refused to believe The Gospel?”

Having the gift of discernment, I can see right away that you are not quite spiritual enough for this stuff. However, For this moment and this moment only, if you will step out in faith and just sew a faith seed of about $100.00 (cash or debit card) we will send you an anointed hanky to be worn around you neck and a vial of dirt from the final resting place of one of the most spiritual of prosperity preachers to be carried at all times next to the loose change in your right hand pocket (it only works in the right hand pocket)to insure success when you make the sacred sales pitch.

It helps if you wear a silk suit, preferably steel gray although some have been successful in white, when making the presentation.

6,834 posted on 01/28/2010 10:08:17 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: Cronos; HarleyD
HD -- that doesn't tie in with what I thought was Calvinist belief, i.e. that we HAVE to follow God's will, we're forced and have no "want" or "will" of our own to either choose or not choose to follow God's will. Is that an incorrect statement of Calvinist thought or is it, as some have put here, hyper-Calvinism?

It is not a have, it is a want. God changes our will when we are born again. . Born again people disobey God and sin, but that stings us as it never did before we were saved,

Sometimes something will come up, say a ministry, that we do not like or want to do.. we will say no.. in that no will come a spiritual lesson, which is why God presented us with something He knew we would not do..

God is always pruning us.

He had placed a burden in someones heart for that ministry and that person will want to do it with all his heart.. He was always Gods man for that ministry, but He had it offered to me to show me something or teach me something that I needed to know or experience for my own spiritual growth

I do not know if that makes sense???

6,835 posted on 01/28/2010 10:18:07 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: Cronos

Your post on the language used is interesting Cronos. Having not indulged much in languages is there a website or article which elaborates on what you stated here?

There is the concept of “Allnasech and Almansuch” where certain verses in the Quaran especially the later ones, cancel the meaning of other earlier verses on a similar subject. Thus they end up with the violent verses which cancel out the meaning of the peaceful verses, as the violent verses were proclaimed by Mohammed at a later time.

Therefore it isn’t surprising to find the outcome of Islam is almost always violent.


6,836 posted on 01/28/2010 10:26:49 AM PST by caww
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To: blue-duncan

Man, you didn’t mention the blow-dry hair!


6,837 posted on 01/28/2010 10:39:34 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
We can make an idol even of God when we try to subject Him to our will.

Very wise, dear brother in Christ!

For it doesn't matter whether a person is carving a "god" out of wood so that he can physically touch him - or whether he is insisting that God shall not be greater than his own ability to comprehend Him or manipulate Him - it is idolatry rooted in pride.

Because we can only "see" through our own eyes, we tend to think we are important or worse, the center of the universe.

But truly, it is estimated there have been 100 billion humans on this planet. That would make any one person equivalent to a single drop of water in an Olympic sized swimming pool.

6,838 posted on 01/28/2010 10:49:00 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: blue-duncan; Mr Rogers; Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; betty boop
This verse, then, indicates that what occurs is foreordained by God, and nothing external to God such as the foreseen actions or merits of God’s creatures determines his choices

God deliberating must necessarily involve His omniscience.

So, while the "actions" of "God's creatures" do not "determine" His decisions, that does not mean those actions are not "involved" in the deliberation that precedes His decisions.

Foreknowledge prior to creation, and then creating anyway, IS IS IS, predestining.

6,839 posted on 01/28/2010 10:54:57 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
Foreknowledge prior to creation, and then creating anyway, IS IS IS, predestining.

This is a very common error of logic, this conflation of foreknowledge with predestination.

6,840 posted on 01/28/2010 10:59:11 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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