Who are the Catholics: The Orthodox or The Romanists, or both?

Me

[the_conscience]

I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?

I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?

[Running On Empty]

I was commenting on quix’ post #599

This, your post to me, doesn’t seem relevant to what quix had posted and to what I was referring.

I am convinced that even if someone’s gifts from the Holy Spirit may seem, in human estimation, more than another’s, it isn’t for us to measure and calculate and gauge because each of us is given according to the measure God has intended.

All is grace.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Amen, Alamo-Girl! Thanks for your excellent post. To outright forbid the sharing of the Lord's Supper with another Christian seems like a peculiar form of intimidation.

According to the Westminster Confession of Faith, the Lord's Supper is for confessing, Trinitarian, baptized Christians. As you rightly noted from Mark...

"And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith?" -- Mark 4:40

[Cronos]

You say I'm wrong. But you said "Holy Spirit rose up within me and I warned him that he'd better get on beam with what God was doing with his group or God would take him out of this life. 40 days later he was dead of a brain aneurysm. "

Like you commanded some spirit to kill someone. The Holy Spirit doesn't follow the commands of some human to kill, unclean spirits do that.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

The idea that God sorts out our prayer by whether Mary is in them is, however, a belief in a mean god, and is not supported by any scripture.

lol. Trying to slip that by without notice?

Include Mary in your prayers all you want. It doesn't matter. Just don't pray to Mary, but to the Triune God alone.

Idol worship is not pretty.

[Cronos]

I raised that case as an illustration . . . I don’t remember of what, at the moment.

Raising a case about how one commands "spirits" to kill someone is pretty indicative....What else have you told this spirit to do?

[1000 silverlings]

To outright forbid the sharing of the Lord's Supper with another Christian seems like a peculiar form of intimidation.

Yes, it's called the Lord's supper, not a church's potluck bingo night supper spaghetti crab feed.

Moreover, the burden of a clean heart before the Lord, is upon the participant not upon other Christians. "Protecting the things of the Lord" can get you killed. 2 Samuel 6

[Cronos]

So, how DO you call on these spirits of yours to come and kill people? As you said “In this case, when the mission chairman was blustering and trying to destructively throw his weight around in a way that would hurt his own people, Holy Spirit rose up within me and I warned him that he’d better get on beam with what God was doing with his group or God would take him out of this life. 40 days later he was dead of a brain aneurysm.”

[Cronos]

So, how DO you call on these spirits of yours to come and kill people? As you said “In this case, when the mission chairman was blustering and trying to destructively throw his weight around in a way that would hurt his own people, Holy Spirit rose up within me and I warned him that he’d better get on beam with what God was doing with his group or God would take him out of this life. 40 days later he was dead of a brain aneurysm.”

[Cronos]

They are not Christian. They do not act as Christians

Quite right -- there are many good people, good Christians who call themselves Protestants and they don't act like the ones who call themselves that on this post.

[Cronos]

Yup, Mormons are the ultimate expression of sola scriptura. So, next you can use the Protestant caucasus to include them, and the Unitarians etc. Sounds like a plan.

[Cronos]

I don’t see how the Holy Spirit would be used to kill or warn. The Holy Spirit would rebuke, but not warn as a presentiment to killing someone. And furthermore, the term “I” makes me wonder about the entire episode.

[Cronos]

All Protestants are Trinitarian Christians. Mormons (as well as Unitarians) are not Protestant.

Who says that? You, right? But since t_c has said that the caucasus "Catholic caucasus" with a capital "C" can be used to for all Christians, then the term "Protestant" can be used for Mormons too.

Protestants refer to their Christian faith as "catholic" (universal) and once again it's Roman Catholics who take exception.

That's incorrect -- Catholics on this thread have said over and again, that there is a distinction between the term "catholic" with a small "c" and "Catholic" with a large "C" -- particularly in this case (of a forum differentiator). The term with a capital "C" clearly indicates one set of people, just as the term "Protestant" clearly indicates another. If you want the term "Catholic" with a capital "C" to indicate OPCers too, then the term "Protestant" logically includes Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, unitarians, Christian Scientist, Branch Davidians etc. etc

[Cronos]

You would honestly consider someone who says "Evidently there’s a ‘secret’ TAKE EXCEPTION RANT, WHINE, WAIL, fuss and throw dust verse hidden somewhere in the Hail Mary. Maybe there’s some kind of spiritual genetics involved. Sure seems to be a chronic habit virtually regardless of the stimulus. as spiritual brethern? No. This is not a Christian Protestant speaking.

[Cronos]

And the decision was perfect. Posting again for all:

For the purpose of moderating caucuses on the Religion Forum, members of the "Catholic Caucus" are those who accept Papal Authority.

If the Catholic Caucus is to include Orthodox, it should be labeled "Catholic/Orthodox Caucus."

If the caucus is for those who believe in Christ as God, i.e. the Trinity, it should be labeled "Christian Caucus."

Many other designations may be used to limit the caucus to those who share a certain belief, e.g. Dispensationalist, LDS, Baptist.

[Cronos]

I've only been reading the posts sporadically so I didn't realize these last comments were still discussing caucuses. I don't know what group Mormons are in caucus-wise, but definition-wise, they and Unintarians are not Protestants, per that reliable religious authority, Wikipedia (and others.) 8~)

This entire post is solely about caucuses and the naming / categorisation of them.

[Cronos]

Well OPCers believe in Machen.

[1000 silverlings]

I’ll be darned

[Cronos]

You have gone way beyond speaking for Catholics and the Catholic Church. You are now speaking for God?

The doctor of the Church of Machen speaks for Gawd (or Machen, but that differentiation is difficult for most Machenites)

[Cronos]

The OPCers on this thread (can’t even call them Protestants anymore as there are REAL Protestants out there that are Christian in belief and not just rabble-rousers) now believe that The Godfather III is sola-scriptura, sola-interpretura

[Dr. Eckleburg]

No one is saved till he is judged by Christ for his works (Romans 2:5-10, Matthew 25:31-46) upon his death.

What a sad and pointless anti-Scriptural error which deprives Roman Catholics of God's full measure of assurance. No wonder there's so much neurosis in Rome. RCs are running a race they cannot win because salvation "is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy."

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved...

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." -- Romans 10:9;13

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"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." -- 1 Corinthians 1:18

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"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36