Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
Evidently there’s a
‘secret’ TAKE EXCEPTION RANT, WHINE, WAIL, fuss and throw dust verse hidden somewhere in the Hail Mary.
Maybe there’s some kind of spiritual genetics involved. Sure seems to be a chronic habit virtually regardless of the stimulus.
Amen!
That's the basic failing of human nature and yet so many miss it. Not our perfection, but Christ's perfection covering us so that He can present us blameless before God.
In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight" -- Colossians 1:21-22"And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
It’s been fascinating to me for probably close to 40 years or so now . . .
in spite of my persistently dogged efforts to word things in qualified tentative, nonabsolutist words and phrases . . .
evidently because of the emotional weight of my words and phrases . . .
SOME PERSONALITIES tend to virtually always
REACT as though my words were put in the ABSOLUTIST terms possible.
Fascinating but also kind of crazy.
A hearty "Amen!" to that statement!
....we should not be surprised to find that the Calvinists took a very important part in American Revolution. Calvin emphasized that the sovereignty of God, when applied to the affairs of government proved to be crucial, because God as the Supreme Ruler had all ultimate authority vested in Him, and all other authority flowed from God, as it pleased Him to bestow it. The Scriptures, God's special revelation of Himself to mankind, were taken as the final authority for all of life, as containing eternal principles, which were for all ages, and all peoples. Calvin based his views on these very Scriptures. As we read earlier, in Paul's letter to the Romans, God's Word declares the state to be a divinely established institution.History is eloquent in declaring that the American republican democracy was born of Christianity and that form of Christianity was Calvinism. The great revolutionary conflict which resulted in the founding of this nation was carried out mainly by Calvinists--many of whom had been trained in the rigidly Presbyterian college of Princeton....
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In fact, most of the early American culture was Reformed or tied strongly to it (just read the New England Primer). Von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, a Roman Catholic intellectual and National Review contributor, asserts: “If we call the American statesmen of the late eighteenth century the Founding Fathers of the United States, then the Pilgrims and Puritans were the grandfathers and Calvin the great-grandfather…”
Related threads:
John Calvin, Calvinism, and the founding of America
Calvin's 500th Birthday Celebrated: Critics and Supporters Agree He was America's Founding Father
AMERICA AND JOHN CALVIN
America's debt to John Calvin
Lessons to be learned from Reformation
Theocracy: the Origin of American Democracy
American Government and Christianity - America's Christian Roots
John Calvin: Religious liberty and Political liberty
The Puritans and the founding of America
Perhaps Puritans weren't all that bad
Who were the Puritans?
Bible Battles: King James vs. the Puritans
The Heirs of Puritanism: That's Us!
The real Puritan legacy
In Praise of a Puritan America
Are new 'Puritans' gaining?
Foundations of Faith [Harvard's "Memorial Church" and the university's Puritan roots]
Bounty of Freedom [Puritans, Yankees, the Constitution, and Libertarianism]
The Pilgrims and the founding of America
Thanking the Puritans on Thanksgiving: Pilgrims' politics and American virtue
New World, New Ideas: What the Pilgrims and Puritans believed, about God and man and giving thanks
Pilgrims in Providence
A time for thanks
Judge reminds: Faith ‘permeated our culture’ since the Pilgrims
In its 400th year, Jamestown aspires to Plymouth's prominence [huzzah for the Pilgrims!]
Rock of Ages and the rebel pilgrims [understanding the times re Augustus Toplady's famous hymn]
The evidence is lacking only for those without eyes to see and ears to hear.
My FREEPMAILS and emails indicate the opposite wholesale.
Romans 2:5-10, Matthew 25:31-46, John 6:54-55.
lol. Amen!
"the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart." -- 1 Samuel 16:7
Good Scriptures for all Christians to prayerfully ponder as Holy Spirit leads.
It might be wise to ping some of the Vatican related cliques hereon to them.
I don’t think it even is a matter of interpretation. The gospel plainly teaches that out judgement is by our works.
Against the Protestants I have their counterscriptural heresies. The ideas that the Bible is the only rule of faith, that salvation comes by faith alone, that salvation is accomplished at the point of one-time conversion — are all counterscriptural theological fantasies. They did enormous damage to the Western Civilization and continue to do so. Protestantism is a faith-destroying propaganda machine. People should flee it like a plague.
You know that how? Pray much?
Yes, sound doctrine.
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
THX.
I initially posted the Hail Mary. The Rosary consists of several prayers, including Our Father, Hail Mary, “Glory Be” (which I did not post), the Creed, and the “Save us from the fires of Hell” one that you liked. Interestingly, Hail Mary is quotes from the Gospel in the first part, and a reference to the Crucifixion scene in the second part.
The Rosary prayer also includes meditations that go in the backgound, that are not uttered, on the events described in the gospel ot in the Revelation of St. John. Besides there is a connecton to the Psalms in that the Hail Marys act as placeholders for the 150 psalms, which most people do not remember by heart. Finally, one may announce an intention for which he prays a particular part of the Rosary, for example, some spiritual, political or personal goal. It is a powerful prayer system.
Thank you for putting in bold the differences between Romanism and Christianity. Our FRiend Mad Dawg often tries to tell us that Romanism is a religion of grace but here clearly you define the difference as one of works versus grace.
Of course your characterizations that follow are faulty or just false. Apparently people should flee the USA like a plague because of what Protestantism founded.
Oh, yes. That too. But one should not expect these sensations or discard the spiritual work that does not bring an ecstatic reward.
Pentecostals have a way of saying something similar . . .
SEEK THE GIVER, NOT THE GIFT.
FOCUS ON THE GIVER, NOT THE GIFT.
SEEK GOD MOST, FIRST AND ALWAYS
Truly, if God ever leads me to become a Catholic, I will do so. His will is what matters to me because I love Him.
I don't know what group Mormons are in caucus-wise, but definition-wise, they and Unintarians are not Protestants, per that reliable religious authority, Wikipedia (and others.) 8~)
8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God; 9 Not of works, that no man may glory. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus in good works, which God hath prepared that we should walk in them. (Eph. 2)[God] will render to every man according to his works. (Rom. 2:6, similar Matthew 25)
by works a man is justified; and not by faith only (James 2:24)
The difference between the Church and the sects is that the Church knows and obeys the Holy Scriptures, and you obey your own theological fantasies.
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