Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
That, of course, is not Scriptural.
The church is defined as those who have been given faith in Jesus Christ as Lord, King and Savior.
...And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved." -- Acts 2:21;47
"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved...
What a racket the RCC has going for itself -- mesmerizing people into believing there is salvation in a crumb of flour and water and that that crumb is magically morphed into the body of Jesus Christ only when a priest says the correct incantations and raises it above his head to just the correct elevation.
The RCC teaches there is no salvation without a priest and his mojo. And there is no priest without a magisterium declaring that priest to be "another Christ."
Shameful. Repent of these superstitions that demean Christ's accomplished, one-time, perfect sacrifice on the cross. It is finished.
Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin." -- Hebrews 10:14-18"For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Is anyone contending that salvation comes through communion?
The things you learn on these forums
I'll give you additional treasury merits for good humor! :)
Actually the hierarchy would look something like this:
Top Level: Unconditional sovereign grace trinitarian liberty-loving Christians.
Generally Reformed, Presbyterian, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Reformed Baptist, Other Baptist, Non-Denominational.
Next Level: Semi-pelagian trinitarian liberty-loving Scripture-adhering local community based Christians.
Generally Protestant churches of various denominations.
Final level: Hierarchical generally despotic over-controlling over-presumptuous sanctimonious religions.
Here the tree splits between the multifarious organizations associated with the Pope and multifarious Eastern organizations claiming a conjectural apostolic confession; other despotic top-down religions that lick the hand of the leader like Mormons, Scientologists, Muslims, ect...
"The Pope - the Holy Father himself - has this very day blessed Michael Corleone; and you think you know better than the Pope? " Dominic Abbandando
And only when it's made using the Vatican-approved recipe:
Genetically-modified (GM) wheat may not be be suitable under canon law to be used to make hosts for the Catholic sacrament of the Eucharist, it's been claimed.....from the thread No Genetically Modified Jesus! (Important Issu!) [Catholic Caucus]Fr Sean McDonagh, a Columban priest and well-known commentator on environmental issues, questions whether the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith which oversees Catholic doctrine could ever sanction GM wheat. Writing in Intercom, a publication of the Irish Catholic Bishops' Conference, Fr McDonagh cites the example that gluten-free hosts are outlawed for use in communion -- even though it can endanger the health of those suffering from coeliac disease, which is a bowel disorder. Low gluten hosts are permitted.
"Crops which have been genetically engineered to date include maize, soya beans, canola (derived from rapeseed) and potatoes. Many biotech companies would like to genetically engineer wheat. If this is pushed through, the question will arise as to whether GM wheat can be used in the Eucharist?"
Seems like those are exactly the words Annalex used in post 399 -- "The Church is defined visibly by who is and who is not invited to the Holy Communion."
And we know that in addition to declaring that outside the church of Rome there is no salvation, the RCC catechism says...
1407 - The Eucharist is the heart and the summit of the Church's life, for in it Christ associates his Church and all her members with his sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving offered once for all on the cross to his Father; by this sacrifice he pours out the graces of salvation on his Body which is the Church.
Here's a sermon by a Roman Catholic priest found on google...
The doctrine of the Church is that Holy Communion is morally necessary for salvation...""...Like Baptism, the Eucharist is necessary for salvation to be received either sacramentally or in desire...
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lol. This is what they’re concerned with. Yeesh.
lol. If Winona Ryder hadn't od'ed and been replaced with daughter Sophia, the worst "actress" to be forever immortalized on film, Godfather III would be just as good as I and II.
Thoughtful analysis, imho.
THx.
How about a term for them instead of Christian? The Machenites? The Machenics? The Macharownees?
The term “Latin” is inadequate as Catholics include the Maronites and Syro-Malabar. “Catholic” is the only broad term a forum website can use. “Roman Catholic” similarly misses out on those two important groups of Catholics. For the same reason we ought not to think that we can’t use the term “Greeks” to refer to the Russian Orthodox, Bulgarian Orthodox, Serbian, Greek, etc. when “Orthodox” is a far simpler version for the FR moderators. I agree that’s simplistic, but everything religious is not simple.
You are free to stay with that opinion, "doctor". My job was to point out the fact: no sects exist in the Church.
Hail Mary, Full of Grace
The Lord is with thee
Blessed art though among women
And blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
Pray for us sinners
Now and in the hour of our death
Amen.
Bingo.
"I'm a Catholic"?
Your simple yes or no answer will suffice.
What of those who are saved by Christ, fully accept that salvation, and yet never take communion?
Are you contending that they would be less saved by virtue of their not taking communion?
If so, that is elevating communion above being saved by Christ, and saying that being saved by Christ is insufficient to in fact be saved if not supplemented by communion.
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