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Who are the Catholics: The Orthodox or The Romanists, or both?
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Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience

I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?

I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?


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To: Natural Law
I can and do intervene to keep posters on the RF from "making it personal." There is nothing I can do for a a poster who "takes it personally."

If "open" thread RF debate is uncomfortable to you, ignore them and instead read/post to the "ecumenical" "caucus" "prayer" or "devotional" threads.

3,721 posted on 01/16/2010 10:36:15 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: RnMomof7
"So then God does not accept bloodless sacrifices right??"

I answered this for you in post 3625. Did you miss it, disagree with it or simply ignore it because it conflicts with your prejudice?

In Catholic theology the word "Sacrifice" is synonymous with the word "offering". We carry out this command of the Lord by celebrating the memorial of his sacrifice. It is the thanksgiving and praise to the Father; - the sacrificial memorial of Christ and his Body; - the presence of Christ by the power of his word and of his Spirit. We offer praise, prayers and worship, not the bloody sacrifices of the Old Testament.

3,722 posted on 01/16/2010 10:38:29 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Judith Anne
God bless you for it. Go get them, Judith.



Judith and Holofernes

Donatello

1455-60
Bronze, height: 236 cm
Palazzo Vecchio, Florence

3,723 posted on 01/16/2010 10:39:46 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Mad Dawg

Not Tallulah, it was Dorothy Parker. She was at a regular restaurant gathering of glitterati who all played word games, and the challenge was, “Use ‘horticulture’ in a sentence.”

I love that story. (Sorry for the correction—eek—what if you’re right and I’m wrong? Oh well...)


3,724 posted on 01/16/2010 10:40:21 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: annalex
Catholics and all authentic Christians bow to statues of saints. Not to statues in general. That is because we believe in Redeeming God Who alone put His saints in Heaven and praise Him. Those who don’t, practice the lying art of accusations instead of getting themselves a true religion, or at least a plausible one.

So that's what you say...So let's compare what you say to what the God of my salvation says:

Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,

And you say we should all come and join your religion??? Why would any person in his right mind want to do that after learning that God has condemned those people that do the things you do???

3,725 posted on 01/16/2010 10:42:33 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: annalex

Heh. She was a heroine. Took her life and virtue in her hands, to save her people...

I always felt slightly sorry for Holofernes. Slightly.


3,726 posted on 01/16/2010 10:44:45 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Mad Dawg

I feel like a battered wife who keeps getting things taken from her.


3,727 posted on 01/16/2010 10:45:31 AM PST by the_conscience (True Americans do not insist on politically correct speech codes.)
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To: Religion Moderator

How do you rationalize permitting slurs as being the responsibility of the recipient, but accusations of lying as being the responsibility of the accuser when the motive of both is to offend?


3,728 posted on 01/16/2010 10:46:10 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Judith Anne

Algonquin Club, right?

I didn’t research it, and Dorothy Parker is far more believable to moi.


3,729 posted on 01/16/2010 10:47:04 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Iscool
And you say we should all come and join your religion??? Why would any person in his right mind want to do that after learning that God has condemned those people that do the things you do???

Isn't it awesome that so many heroes suffered and died for our freedom of religion? So many of ALL faiths, and some of no faith, answered the call, sacrificed and died so we could sit here on our chairs and argue like this without being put in jail or killed?

PS, I don't feel condemned....

3,730 posted on 01/16/2010 10:49:27 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Natural Law
False dichotomy.

It would not be even-handed on my part to disallow a non-Catholic the use of the term Romanist for offensive debate unless I also disallowed the Catholics from using the same term for defensive debate. It cuts both ways.

Sources on both sides would be banned by such a ruling like any use of Chick is disallowed, i.e. either as a source or as a pejorative or as a strawman.

3,731 posted on 01/16/2010 10:49:34 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: wmfights; RnMomof7; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; PAR35; irishtenor; Calvinist_Dark_Lord
I think this (the liberal RCC) may be a product of it's organizational structure. The primitive Christian churches were decentralized,

I don't think church structure is the ultimate reason for Rome's decadence. There is a church of Christ on earth and the more cohesive and self-aware, the better.

Anarchy is not preferable to a republican, representative government for nations, nor for churches. Accountability to the congregation through the Scriptures by the ruling elders is what matters.

As I've said before, Rome would like nothing more than for every Protestant/Baptist/Reformed/Christian church to be "independent" and beholding unto itself alone. What better way to weaken the opposition? Splinter and disperse. After all, that's how Arminianism began - after Jacob Arminius took his fateful sojourn to Rome and returned to deny the sovereignty of God and to re-assert the free will of men.

We don't need to throw the baby out with the holy water. 8~)

3,732 posted on 01/16/2010 10:49:52 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Religion Moderator

Somebody needs to recommend the Religion Moderator Entity to the McArthur Foundation for a fellowship as long as a journal and socio-psychological book are produced.


3,733 posted on 01/16/2010 10:52:23 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

I believe you are correct, sir. ;-D


3,734 posted on 01/16/2010 10:52:44 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; RnMomof7; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; PAR35; irishtenor; ...
We don't need to throw the baby out with the holy water. 8~)

I don't care who you are, that's funny.

3,735 posted on 01/16/2010 10:54:01 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

LOL!


3,736 posted on 01/16/2010 10:54:57 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Mad Dawg

ph


3,737 posted on 01/16/2010 10:55:09 AM PST by xone
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To: Mad Dawg

Yes, the Nobel Peace Prize doesn’t mean anything anymore, but if it did the RM should get it and the million bucks.


3,738 posted on 01/16/2010 10:57:52 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne

Thank you.


3,739 posted on 01/16/2010 10:58:51 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: annalex
"The Christian Church lifted all of them, — read Acts, or Galatians."

Acts 15:15-20 - And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Could you tell me where in Acts and Galatians it says it is okay to bow and pray to idols?

3,740 posted on 01/16/2010 11:00:16 AM PST by NoGrayZone
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